sheesh. Two of this board'* high posters leave the Bonneville club just because of one of my posts. Makes me feel pretty shitty. :(

EDIT: anyone ever notice if you use certain words they're automatically substituted for somethign more "potliically correct." I didn't really say "crappy" above but instead I said "sh itty"

Two years ago at Michigan Grudge Match 3 there was a completley stock '03 SSEi that the guy had bought like 3 days before and he was running 15.3'* I think he was on here for a little bit too, but that was a while ago. If I had a stock SSEi to run somebody in, I would. A stock '00+ SSEi with a reasonable driver should run mid 15'* stock.

Shawn

i have one thing to say: PERSONAL PREFERRANCE get over it

Or sent to visit 'Stoned'

SLE, very few Series 1'* of ANY type have run at the track, much less side-by-side. It'* a simple matter. Next spring may change that.

No, it'* not an 'oppress the N/A' thing at all. If you make a ridiculous claim, as Jason did, you're going to invite debate, which is exactly what this is. And the information we gave you about your exhaust is straight from the RPO Bible and options packages. GM'* book. Step back a little and look at what you're discussing here. You're agreeing that an L27 with an intake and exhaust (15-20 hp) can overcome a stock SSEi? Where do you factor in the torque? Where do you factor in the flatness of the hp and torque curves, and the lower rpm'* the L67 delivers them at?

the debate is series one

all things you mention here are low RPM stuff I agree that torque is what gets the car moving SO if the car is PreStaged at 2000-2500 rpms then what serious advantage does the */C have, that is in the powerband of both engines, both engines loose the power at the top in all fairness they are the same

done debating untill the cars run

im only going to post the sutff that my car is good at, and I guess that L27 is not one of the good points of the car

SLE, I've driven two 93 L27'* and two 93 L67'*. I'm here to tell you that stock for stock there is NO comparison whatsoever, just like everyone else here is explaining. You're flat wrong. Drive them for yourself to see what we're talking about. The performance is so far different that an intake and exhaust couldn't possibly even DREAM of making up the difference.

Nobody is flaming you or your car, we're just stating fact here. It'* black and white for every single person that has posted in this topic with experience in both engine types. EVERYONE that has driven both types of any generation agrees the margin is significant.

Take a look at ClubGP for more comparisons. It'* not even humorous.

were not talking stock vs stock. were talking modded vs stock. I agree that stock vs stock the L67 wins hands down

Here'* a comparison for you. From your own signature:
driverjohn, in the slowest SSEi year of all (1992) running poor boost (only hitting 6psi on a floz supercharger), horrible weight transfer (ELC broken completely, *** dragging) on a HOT day (110°+) at Woodburn ran two 16.6'* with equal 60'* to yours. The worst mechanical example, slowest year, and horrible track conditions, not to mention the exhaust leaks that were fixed 2 days later. In effect, he was SLOWER than stock by a big margin considering the mechanical condition of his car and the conditions at the track. From the other 3800'* that ran at the track that day, the conditions ALONE were being reported to cost each car 0.5 seconds off their ET'*. This was confirmed by my own ET'* as well as that of the SilverBullet and PontiacFamily. And 2 GTP'*.

So in effect, he would have normally run (in decent conditions at the track, same mechanical condition), a 16.1 second ET. All that in poor mechanical condition.