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Old 11-02-2004, 08:00 PM   #41
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Ok.... I'm just jumping into this thread now... kinda late... but better late then never.

First off.... I think the SSEi'* of any gen will take the NAs of any gen.
That'* my 2cents.... maybe a heavy modded newer NA could beat an older SSEi.
But that could only be settled on the track... same day.

As for why we have varied results..... I think a lot has to do w/ drivers, AND maintaince of the car. That makes a big difference. I've beaten cars that SHOULD have beaten me, because the car isn't properly maintained.

And moving to my final thought...... Jason... BonneMeMN..... you need to chill out.
If someone disagrees w/ you it doesn't mean they are flaming you. You seem to 'lash' back instead of calmly disagreeing or correcting them. You really need to relax and keep calm is someone disagrees or you believe they are wrong. Attitude is key. You totally blew up at llBlazin_llLo .... I'm not saying he was wrong or right.... but what I'm saying is that your totally 'attacked' him in your response instead of calmly correcting him.

Anyways... that'* my 2cents Cdn....
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Old 11-02-2004, 08:07 PM   #42
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i have to disagree with some things posted here the exahust is NOT the same!!!! you are all wrong. The exhaust for the N10 high flow had 2.5 piping ALL other SE had the 2.25. 92-93 speaking here The n10 high flow is less restrictive than a SSE/i setup on the same 92-93 area car.

the SSE/i also gives up alot of weight compared to a SE, and a gearing advantage. Yea tell me that it cant make a differnece whatever

now tell me I'm wrong I dare you
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Old 11-02-2004, 08:16 PM   #43
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i have to disagree with some things posted here the exahust is NOT the same!!!! you are all wrong. The exhaust for the N10 high flow had 2.5 piping ALL other SE had the 2.25. 92-93 speaking here The n10 high flow is less restrictive than a SSE/i setup on the same 92-93 area car.

the SSE/i also gives up alot of weight compared to a SE, and a gearing advantage. Yea tell me that it cant make a differnece whatever

now tell me I'm wrong I dare you
The SSE has a better flowing muffler than your N10 setup. Stock SSEi exhaust all the way out. So it should be faster than you, except for the weight? Probably pretty close, right? Can an SSE hang with an SSEi of the same year? No way.

The 2.5 piping and N10 exhaust are good for maybe 5hp over stock. And you can't outflow that exhaust anyway. But an SSEi could. No gearing advantage whatsoever. The ratio'* are so close together, it means nothing.

I took your dare
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Old 11-02-2004, 08:19 PM   #44
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so look up what every you wnat in the internet I want to see your facts before you start calling us here liars
First off, I didn't mean to call you guys liars, I ment, no one on here will say what they really think about another one posts, they just keep it to themselves! It drives me insane!
As for the facts from the internet, I dont need them b/c I have drove many stock SSEi and I have drove JLAudioEclipse'* bonni when it had "similar mods", so I am comfedent that his is not faster then an SSEi. It seem to me that alot of people on here agree with me!

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when a member posts a track time it is backed up by a slip, video or an other member there to witness it.
I'm not disputing his 15.99, I was there! JLAudioEclipse and I were helping him to get to that 15.xx b/c we knew that with JLAudioEclipse'* stock car got a 16.1, so we knew that with Jason'* car being "similarly modded" to JLAudioEclipse'* car he could easly get into the 15'*!

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this is one club that prides itself on integrity and posting of factual material
So why are you getting your panties all up in a bunch when I called someone out to "try to keep the integrity and the posting of factual material on this forum"?

P.*. That BS flag is actually kind tight, this forum does have some sweet emoticons!!!
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Old 11-02-2004, 08:20 PM   #45
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On a cooler note, I KNOW a certain 1993 Park Avenue Ultra (L67) can thorougly whoop my mildly modded and lightened 1998 L36 B-ville SSE.
Given the L67 has a little over half the miles, and only mods being CAI, removed MAF screen, AC Delco platinum plugs gapped @ .060", and a 180* t-stat. Car also has a fresher M62 SC with only 8k on the rebuild.
My L36 has a 3" DP, 2.5" high flow cat, TR55 plugs gapped at .057", premium wires, removed MAF screen, CAI heat shielded, 180* t-stat drilled 4x1/16", and lightened 180 lbs (removing weight DOES go a long way -ask Seth, at least he knows it does in my case)

As was stated many times ^^^ maintenance does make alot of difference. Even going from 2500 miles old oil to fresh stuff will allow for smoother revving and more power (very minute, but more).

One more note -one place I seam (seam being a key word) to have an advantage over the Series I L67 is in the higher RPM'*. Although we both experience a little valve float it is definitely more noticable in the L67 -possibly due to fresher, more effecient SC pushing more air through old worn valvetrain and stock exhaust (hmm, maybe I should get a high flow cat for the L67 -it'* needing a new one).

As for me comparing my old 1999 SSEi to my SSE -the SSEi owns hands down. BIG time and I'm talking bone stock vs bone stock.
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Whats the difference in weight anyways? And why? Because of the suspension or something...
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Different body cladding (not much weight difference.....hollow plastic panels), and the HUD? What else? 1-200 pounds maybe between the SE and SSE, with the SLE somewhere in between with the 'medium' cladding.
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You were at Byron, the track is down hill! JLAudioEclipse did 16.1 with a completely stock car (besides the Drop-In K&N) in a 80*+ day on a sh*tty track. That is with tires at correct street PSI and real bumps in the back too. You have to ask him to post the times with his mods done!
Well jason here are the facts 16.1 all stock with k/n drop in filter and a true race weight of 4000lb with driver and all times were recorded on a 80+ degree day.
As for you and the rest of the club i am willing to back up llblazinllow on 100% of his post here on B/C
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im a fata$$ so i get the benefit of the doubt...
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H*** a GTP barely got outa my way at Byron.
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It was a stock car, it didn't even run near a 14 second pass, which is possible in stock GTP'*.
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That 4 door GTP had one driver with a helmet, and a lilttle girl, maybe less then 10 years old. Vacuum leak? The 14 times are stock cars with no headlight, no backseat, spare, etc.
You said and I quote, "a GTP barely got outa your way at Byron." By saying that it looks like your telling people that your car is close to the speed of a stock GTP. Then you contradicted yourself and said that a "a GTP can run a 14 second pass - stock". They you refrase yourself and say that is only "in a GTP with no headlight, no backseat, spare,etc." So what are you saying that with those things done that will drop you over a sec in the quarter? Come on! A GTP will run a hi 14 off the showroom floor!
So it goes back to my original thought, either he had mechanical problem like a vacuum leak, not from dry rot but from them poping off! -OR- He put the cruse control on at 60 (didn't push the car)! With a young girl in the car he prob, didn't push the car!

Jason I still think you think that this is a personal attack again you and your car. It is not, I am not trying to put you or your car down, I just saying by that way you said the stuff you said you make your car out to be faster then an SSEi and almost as fast as a GTP which is NOT TRUE!
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