Update: Project Frankenbonne - Page 7 - GM Forum - Buick, Cadillac, Chev, Olds, GMC & Pontiac chat


Your Ride: GM Pictures & Videos Post pictures, sounds, and VIDEOS of Your GM Vehicle. We want to see 'em! (Any picture or video files must be posted on a server somewhere to be linked here). Also post pics of Regional or National meets.

Reply
 
 
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 06-10-2005, 12:12 PM   #61
BANNED
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Posts: 0
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
banned3800 is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by BillBost37
guys, it has been 95 for 2 days in a row..ok..maybe more. The white bonne just left on a tow truck aiming for the body shop to fix up the frame mount and some sand blasting in the engine compartment.

JR...yeah..it came with the TAM. I'm thinking they were prepping to use that setup and didn't. I bet you are outside right now looking at your 91 with a flashlight.
Nope haven't had the chance yet... But when I get the time I will....

It has been said for a long time that GM changed the front end of the car for 1990... Something to do with making the structure stronger I think that goes along with the subframe...

In 1991, the Bonnies got the Maxifuse relay center, and the chassis used the same struts and springs as the 92... Strange setup... Like I have said before my 91 has a lot of the same parts as my 95...

So its verry possible that the 90 chassis/Body was set up for the newer components...

Also keeo in mind that GM had the revised version of the 3800, a.k.a. Tuned Port Injection 3800 in 1990 as well...

In 91 the C body buick Parks had the L27 with the torque axis mount... This is not the old boxy park ave, but the new design...

So this is very interesting... Having some thoughts and what can be done with the 91... No SC for it tho... But I'm having ideas....

__________________
Best Car Insurance | Auto Protection Today | FREE Trade-In Quote
banned3800 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-10-2005, 01:21 PM   #62
DINOSAURUS BOOSTUS

Expert Gearhead
Thread Starter
 
BillBoost37's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Enfield, CT
Posts: 41,391
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
BillBoost37 is a glorious beacon of lightBillBoost37 is a glorious beacon of lightBillBoost37 is a glorious beacon of lightBillBoost37 is a glorious beacon of lightBillBoost37 is a glorious beacon of lightBillBoost37 is a glorious beacon of light
Default

From what Randy has said, this 90 will have maxi fuses when we are done. If I interpreted his text message properly he'* at the junkyard getting another connector for the engine harness on the 90
BillBoost37 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-11-2005, 05:00 PM   #63
Senior Member
Posts like a Corvette
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
Posts: 1,445
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
captainmiller is on a distinguished road
Default

I looked for the torque axis mount and I can't seem to find one. It'* hard to see down there so I felt around under the coolant recovery tank and I didn't feel any holes. There are a few around closer to the battery, but not those two close together as shown in the picture.
captainmiller is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-12-2005, 12:10 AM   #64
Senior Member
Posts like a Corvette
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: springfield il
Posts: 1,369
Thanks: 0
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
jachin is on a distinguished road
Default

Project looks great, i cant wait to see it done. would you have to have any kind of special tool to get the transmission alone out
jachin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-12-2005, 12:20 PM   #65
Senior Member
Posts like a 4 Banger
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Naples, Florida
Posts: 137
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Tonioseven is on a distinguished road
Default

Dang, this is a cool project!! I've been away for too long!! I need to get up under my '91 to see what the possibilites are!!
Tonioseven is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-12-2005, 01:30 PM   #66
BANNED
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Posts: 0
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
banned3800 is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tonioseven
Dang, this is a cool project!! I've been away for too long!! I need to get up under my '91 to see what the possibilites are!!
Off topic...

Nice to see you again man....

91'* have a lot of the 92-95 parts.... Trust me...LOL

__________________
Best Car Insurance | Auto Protection Today | FREE Trade-In Quote
banned3800 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-12-2005, 09:51 PM   #67
Senior Member
True Car Nut
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Western MA
Posts: 2,708
Thanks: 0
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
randman1 is on a distinguished road
Default

The car is still at the autobody shop and will be for several more days so I decided to work on some of the electrical connections. Now you may be asking yourself, how does one work on the electrical when the car isn't around? Well, here is the game plan.

I went to a junkyard on Friday and grabbed a 10" or so length of the engine harness from a 91 SSE. Some of the colors were off but they aren't going to be used anyway. The wires that are common to both the 90 and 97 engine harnesses were soldered together. This will allow me to simply plug the two connectors together and still retain a reference for like colored wires.

On the left is the 91 engine harness connector with the grommet removed and on the right is the 97 firewall connector/grommet.
Name:  DSC01724.jpg
Views: 7
Size:  55.8 KB

With the aid of BillBost37'* suction cup clamppy things, I soldered the connections and finished with heat shrink tubing
Name:  DSC01726.jpg
Views: 7
Size:  54.6 KB

All of the unused wires from the 91 connector were removed to keep things neat. Later, I'll top it off with some wire looom
Name:  DSC01727.jpg
Views: 5
Size:  55.8 KB


There is a total of 44 wires in the 97 engine harness. 9 were connected to the 91 connector and 7 (maybe 10 if I use an aftermarket boost gauge with it'* own wiring) will be unused. That leaves 25-28 to solder in the vehicle. It certainly helps to be able to do the soldering on a table rather than in a car.
randman1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-12-2005, 10:06 PM   #68
Senior Member
Posts like a Camaro
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Massachusetts
Posts: 1,019
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
CFoote is on a distinguished road
Default

Randy whats the game plan with this beast? Are you using the 97 PCM in the car? What about functions like the climate control, cruise, etc. Are those seperate systems that do not need the PCM?

FYI, I seem to recall the 96+ PCMs were all on a data bus of sorts -- various resistances were sent along the data bus to communicate with various items. This lowered the # of wires in the car. For example, if you send a 400ohm signal that is destined to the Cruise Control unit the Stereo would not interpret that signal as turning the volume up
CFoote is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-12-2005, 10:26 PM   #69
Senior Member
True Car Nut
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Western MA
Posts: 2,708
Thanks: 0
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
randman1 is on a distinguished road
Default

Climate control (AC) and cruise are going to be a bit more of a challange but they still use standard LO and HI voltages rather than a multiplex system. You're right, the PCM lives in the engine bay begining in 96. This is the reason why there were only 9 common circuits between the two connectors. With the remaining 25-28 wires, most will connect to the 90 ECM harness but the others will connect to custom added harnesses. One example would be the fuel pump module. There'* no such thing in the 90.

I intend on adding two additional grommets, one on either side of the firewall, for rerouting of certain wires such as trans connector, cruise module and AC sensors. It will be oodles of fun when the dash comes off for the rest of the electrical work.
randman1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-13-2005, 12:07 AM   #70
DINOSAURUS BOOSTUS

Expert Gearhead
Thread Starter
 
BillBoost37's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Enfield, CT
Posts: 41,391
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
BillBoost37 is a glorious beacon of lightBillBoost37 is a glorious beacon of lightBillBoost37 is a glorious beacon of lightBillBoost37 is a glorious beacon of lightBillBoost37 is a glorious beacon of lightBillBoost37 is a glorious beacon of light
Default

how many times has the 90 dash been out?
BillBoost37 is offline   Reply With Quote
 
 
Reply

Related Topics
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Frankenbonne: We got Video! (56 DOA) BillBoost37 Your Ride: GM Pictures & Videos 64 08-10-2005 08:33 AM
Listen to Frankenbonne ROAR! BillBoost37 Your Other Rides: Pics & Videos 13 08-09-2005 07:29 PM
Frankenbonne project update #4 It started! BillBoost37 Your Ride: GM Pictures & Videos 50 07-31-2005 12:18 PM
Frankenbonne Returns! - Pics for Kennginn BillBoost37 Your Ride: GM Pictures & Videos 25 07-26-2005 11:45 PM
Frankenbonne Pt2 (Good luck 56K's) BillBoost37 Your Ride: GM Pictures & Videos 21 07-12-2005 09:00 PM


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 11:01 PM.


We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites.