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Old 01-08-2007, 10:07 PM   #41
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Ok, looks like we are on for Friday? or Saturday?
I'm good to start on Friday afternoon or evening.

Mr. Bill boost, can you compile the parts list for me? I have not been following the threads so please do us a favor and get-er-done.. :P Really.

I see you posted about a M8 x 1.25 thread pitch, do you have a length? in mm is fine.

Who ever built the tranny,
Can you tell me the Final drive sproket ratio?
Is it 1.121?
How many teeth on the VSS reluctor?
I need to calculate how many VSS pulses per mile
I need to calculate the trans reolutions per mile.
I can measure the tire size this weekend during the calibration.
Thanks,
I have had a lot of problems trying to calibrate the speedometers so all the iformation I can get will be helpful. Many times the */w won't caculate the gear correctly and it will get a checksum error. I might have to manually input the data in increments and try to calculate it the hard way. I should be ale to get him within 5% if all goes well.

Ben, can I have your VIN# please?
BTW, I have not heard back from HPtuners yet, hopefully the MVPI will arrive on time, keep your fingers crossed. I did next day my adaptor to them so I know they have it and I ordered next day air shipping to get my new adaptor back.

BTW....
Ben and Bob both have a 1997 Bonneville, If one more 1997 owners is in AZ it would be cheaper for me to get a liscense for all 1997 year models then I can do unlimited 1997 Bonnevilles.

That'* all for now.
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Ok, looks like we are on for Friday? or Saturday?
I'm good to start on Friday afternoon or evening.
That is up to you and you family, Thomas. Originally Ben and I were planning on disassembly for Friday, so if it would work out, then I am all up for jumping in on it on Friday. Assuming we would finish up on Saturday, I told Ben he could drop me off at my place on Friday night, and he could drive my Bonne to his place, then pick me up on Saturday to go back to your place. (assuming he doesn't kill my transmission, also, will enjoying some whine)

I also PMed Doug (MyLittleBlackBird) asking him to provide info on the questions you asked.

There is one other '97 Bonne in town, on the club, but I haven't talked to him in awhile. I'll see if I can get ahold of him.
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Ok Bob, Friday night it is.

I'm looking forward to seeing more differences between te GP'* and the Bonnevilles.

Bill, are you on-board with making us an official parts list?

Later,
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Parts needed so far:

Oil pan gasket
Rear main seal
Front cover gasket
UIM gasket (if we pull the intakes for hoisting purposes... otherwise unnecessary)
Timing chain dampener
Heater and radiator hoses (questionable)
Torque converter bolts
Copper RTV
Loctite
Synthetic ATF
Vaseline for oil pump
Outer tie rods (questionable)


Add to this list as needed, folks. Thomas, I'm not sure if your source can get us the oil pan, rear main, front cover, front main, etc. as cheap as Checker. Checker sells a lower conversion kit with all that stuff for ~$40, so we'll have to compare your prices and see which option is better.

EDIT: My VIN is 1G2HX52K5VH215333
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Order by wednesday mid-day at the latest to make sure all the parts are in before work starts.

Luck to you, guys. Good team there. I hope for the best in the install and the build.
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Who ever built the tranny,
Can you tell me the Final drive sproket ratio?
Is it 1.121?
How many teeth on the VSS reluctor?
I need to calculate how many VSS pulses per mile
I need to calculate the trans reolutions per mile.
I can measure the tire size this weekend during the calibration.
Thanks.
Yes, it'* a 1.121 chain gear input. Final drive ratio is 3.73(not 3.69). I do not know how many teeth are on the reluctor wheel, but I do know it was for a 2.97 FDR, if that makes a difference.

By looking at a picture, I can estimate about 34 teeth on the reluctor wheel, but I could be off on that number a little.
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Parts needed

Oil pan gasket: Why?
Rear main seal Yes
Front timing cover gasket, and WP gasket in case
UIM gasket (if we pull the intakes for hoisting purposes... otherwise unnecessary): .. Stop smoking crack.. use GM brackets.
Timing chain dampener.. yes
Heater and radiator hoses (questionable) : Do it while the engine is out.. and use Bob'* new tool of spectactular happiness.
Torque converter bolts: Why?
Copper RTV, Permatex Ultra Copper to be exact
Loctite: Red or Blue???
Synthetic ATF: For the price..I'd run regular for a few hundred miles..then change filter, fluid and add some syn then only.
Vaseline for oil pump: are you going to disassemble? If not..you don't need it for the pump and can use it on each other
Outer tie rods (questionable): What did you break now? Jack it up and make sure it'* not an inner
Brake cleaner for gasket surfaces: Personally.. 6-10 cans.. you can always use it later.
Rags
Oil Absorbant... the BIG bag
Oil and filter, after you change gaskets...run car, then drain and change
Gasket scraper (usually about a $1)..
More cookies for air tool... (gasket cleaning)
Coolant if you haven't already flushed and enough to top off.
2 Big steralite containers for putting under the stuff as you drain it.
Engine cleaner.. you'll need it Friday morning before Thomas'*, clean that sucker perfectly and it'll make working on it much nicer.
Bring a change of clothes.. you'll be dirty no matter what.

Exhaust bolts are nice to have..not necessarily needed and Thomas probably has a container full.
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Ok Ben,
Please take a moment to review my comments in blue.
If you like I'll pick up the items that are in stock.
The generic answer for the need to order parts is 3-5 days. I can have them look to see how many are in AZ and for 15% more $$$ we can will call them from possibly any local GM parts department in the PHX area. If you say the word.
The items that are not in blue are yours, you own them. I'll just help with the GM parts if you so choose.
You said something about a kit from checker, as long as it fits the car we are good. If you get the parts from GM they are pretty much gonna fit.
I think we should get the main seal asap, what do you think?
Please note that I already pickep the exhaust bolts mentioned below.

Any further comments Bob & Bill?


Parts needed

Oil pan gasket: Why?
12587964 list 52.46 my price 32.89 in stock. I agree with Bill, Why?
Rear main seal Yes
12582320 Rear main seal list 17.98 my price 11.28 in stock.
Front timing cover gasket,
Need to order list 8.42 my price 5.28 do you want to price at checker?
Water Pump gasket in case
Need to order, list 9.16 my price 5.04. Do you want to price at checker?
UIM gasket (if we pull the intakes for hoisting purposes... otherwise unnecessary): .. Stop smoking crack.. use GM brackets.
89017554 UIM gasket kit list 37.00 my price 20.35 in stock
Timing chain dampener.. yes
24503893 Need to order. list 26.84 my price 16.83
Heater and radiator hoses (questionable) : Do it while the engine is out.. and use Bob'* new tool of spectactular happiness.
Torque converter bolts: Why?
I think no need, ned to order anyway. My price is 7.95 for all three.
Copper RTV, Permatex Ultra Copper to be exact
Loctite: Red or Blue???
Synthetic ATF: For the price..I'd run regular for a few hundred miles..then change filter, fluid and add some syn then only.
Vaseline for oil pump: are you going to disassemble? If not..you don't need it for the pump and can use it on each other
Outer tie rods (questionable): What did you break now? Jack it up and make sure it'* not an inner
Brake cleaner for gasket surfaces: Personally.. 6-10 cans.. you can always use it later.
Rags
Oil Absorbant... the BIG bag
No way dude, your not dumping kitty litter on my garage floor, no need, I have big trans drip pans
Oil and filter, after you change gaskets...run car, then drain and change
Gasket scraper (usually about a $1)..
I already have
More cookies for air tool... (gasket cleaning)
Coolant if you haven't already flushed and enough to top off.
2 Big steralite containers for putting under the stuff as you drain it.
I already have
Engine cleaner.. you'll need it Friday morning before Thomas'*, clean that sucker perfectly and it'll make working on it much nicer.
Bring a change of clothes.. you'll be dirty no matter what.

Exhaust bolts are nice to have..not necessarily needed and Thomas probably has a container full.
I picked up the main exhaust bolts for the cross over pipe because they usually strip out when trying to re-use them. I also have a gasket and doughnut thingy gasket.
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Thanks for checking into those prices, Thomas. As I see it, I can get the whole lower conversion kit with water pump, timing cover, oil pan, front and rear main, etc. for $40 at Checker, so I'll just pick those up myself. Torque converter bolts are not needed, as we'll probably be fine using the old ones.

The only thing that might be important from GM is the timing chain dampener. It would be smart to replace the one that'* in there, though it won't be the end of the world if we don't. See if you can get one here in time. If not, we'll just use the old one again.

Also, would it be smart for me to pick up a tranny filter?

Thomas, let me know when we can show up on Friday. Do you like soda, beer, smokes, or anything else while you're working? Let me know. Everyone else, please post anything else we're forgetting
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Important addition: New harmonic balancer bolt. See if you can get one here in time, Thomas. If the timing chain dampener and HB bolt can arrive in time for reassembly, order both of 'em for me.
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