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Old 05-28-2003, 01:14 AM   #61
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Hey, that'* not too bad at all. Being a regrind, I'd be tempted to get one from a salvage yard to be ground, and save the stock. JUST IN CASE!
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Be ready with more than a new cam. Have a set of heads ready to go.

It is a reasonable deal though and more than likely you will not need them.

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Old 05-28-2003, 01:43 AM   #63
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so what company is willing to do a performance regrind for 130$, the company name says alot about quality.
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Old 05-30-2003, 12:26 AM   #64
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Colt cams is the company, seemingly reputable. But fellas it doesn't look like I'm going that way. I consulted the company doing the block/head work and they said changing the cam like that will mess the computer all up. I figured that would be the case but I can always wish huh? Since reprogramming (or even finding someone who will) the pcm is out of the scope of this rebuild (i.e. budget) I've decided to stay with stock. Since its a roller cam and really doesn't wear I'm just having the shop resurface it and slap it back in. Another depressing note, the valves are entirely too close to replace with larger ones. But I am opting to hog them out and slap in some hardened seats to get a little better air flow. Hey its what I can do with what Buick left us. Oh and the depression moves on. The exhaust is a D port and probably built that way for a reason. More than likely porting the hell out of it will make the engine run wrong. He'* a little iffy about touching that unless I find someone else who has done it with good results. SO THE CALL GOES OUT! WHO KNOWS THIS WON'T AFFECT STABILITY?? This guy I'm working with is great. He has about every part you could want. Gmpartsdirect says over $200 for a cam? Nah he'* got it for half that. He can also piece together a rebuild kit to include pistons for "about what you paid for your rings". Nice huh. He'* a good guy too, he just finished building a 750hp 454 and has engines all over his somewhat neat shop. But how neat is a shop ever. So slated right now is a cleaning, a 3 angle valve job, port the intake side, hog the valves, deck the block, balance the assembly, do some "tricks to the rods" and an assortment of other nick nack things. He'* calling people in the morning to find out what else will get performance with the restrictions. There really are a lot of restrictions. No aftermarket cam, probably no porting of the exhaust, no milling (wouldn't wanna raise compression much anyway), no larger valves. Sheesh, how the hell is Buick going to put together a great engine with 1000 restrictions on power. Ahh what can ya do tho.


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Nos
Water injection
Upper/ Lower porting
TB porting
Centrifugal supercharger

Headers well see.

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Here'* my list of things that i have found so far for my project:

Radiator - Barkleys radiator in Blairsville - ?
Head Set - Advanced Auto - $210
Exaughst - Henderson Muffler New Florence, MagnaFlow - ?
Cam - ?
Valve springs - ?
PCM - Angry Duck Tofu Racing - $180
Port & Polishing - Helman'* Automotive Machine Co. - $200 - $250
Three Point Valve Job - Helman'* Automotive Machine Co. - $110, less since ill have the seals
Supercharger Pulley - Pulley Boys 2.2 Inch - $90
Supercharger Coupler - ZZ Performance - $29
Ignition - Advanced Auto, MSD - ?
Thermostat - Angry Duck Tofu Racing 180* - $9

The head sets pretty steep. What Kinda price you get on a head set?
As an added note this guy says he ported 3800 heads several time'* before and imformed me that theres not much porting to be done to the lower intakes on the */c 3800, most of the work has to be done on the exaughst exits, and in the heads. He seemed to be pretty knowledgeable. I haven't takin the heads off yet and looked at it, but i read a well writen article about port & polishing. Here'* the website check it out.
http://www.sa-motorsports.com/diyport.htm

They offer a do it yourself kit for port&polishing i dont know how well that could posibly go. One of my buddies port&polished his own heads and lower intake on his 2.3 mustang, but it seems after much reading up on this that you probobly shouldn't do it yourself because the heads have to be flow tested to make sure there'* the same amount of resistance to each cylinder, or your engine would turn off balance.
Any body have some idea on that?
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Also on a cam note, i have been imformed by a couple machine shops that if our cams our machined it would then involve an entire valvetrain replacement. Seeing as how we have no aftermarket valvetrain this doesnt seem like a hot idea for my wallet. general concensus was that there was'nt much machining to be done to the cams either, at least not enough to make it worth while.
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Yeah that gasket set is steep. I got a complete overhaul gasket set from www.GmPartsDirect.com for about $115, included about everything. On the MSD note I have the DIs-4 ignition module, 3 msd coil packs, msd 8.5mm helicoil, and msd coil interface packs. I didn't get a chance to "feel" anything but the wires and coil packs so I can't say what the differences are. Definately not for the light pocket. All that took about $550-600 something like that. Summitracing.com has the best prices I've seen on it. Henderson Muffler New Florence has headers for the series 1?? Tell me more. I can probably get you a cam from the guy I'm talking to. Gmpartsdirect says about $212 after all tax and what not he says he'll cut that in half(ish). Make sure you included all your little nuts-n-bolts spending. Like the supercharger oil, assembly lube and include *&h in all your estimates. Trust me that junk adds up QUICK. I'm getting mine a "Stage 2" porting for $90 because I'm paying him good for the other things he'* doing. From what we looked at on the heads at his shop (and refer to the previous post about D exhaust) the intake has PLENTY of room to be shaved down but possibly not the exhaust. Something I do know is that the coolant passages are very close to the openings and if you shave into one of them your going to cry all the way to the bank. For $90 it was worth the peace of mind.
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Quick update: Its still a little pricey but I talked to my man and he says he found a place in CA that has rebuild parts for the series 1 3.8. Pistons, gaskets, bearings, everything minus cam for $840. I believe the kit usually has a cam but as of yet we're keeping the one I have. Thats what he has for now...This has been your quick update.
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212 dollars for what? hats he gonna cut in half. As for the headers, no he doesnt im gonna live with the stock headers. Just the rest of the exaughst headers back im gonna eliminate the cat and resonator because i have connections to do so). I get my stickers without pulling in the garage lol. As for the cam i'll take some more info on it if ya have it, as long as its not gonna mess up the pcm, or involve the valve train replacement.
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