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Old 01-10-2004, 12:59 PM   #51
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Maybe there good to us in canada...
That has to be it. Even on the *-series board the Canadian members seem to get better response/service out of GM. Maybe the zone manager for NY is a hard ***? I can tell ya they would not give over new cladding here because of Color variation from vehicle to vehicle.

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Old 01-10-2004, 01:01 PM   #52
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I happen to like the looks of the new SS. Even if the Ram is better, I would still love to have this:

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Old 01-10-2004, 01:59 PM   #53
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The engine in my moms 2001 camry is a decendant of our 1988 Nova engine. The Nova in all seriousness with a manual is quicker accelerating.
Little late to quote this, but the '88 Nova engine has nothing to do with the '01 Camry'* engine. The motor in the '88 Nova has ties to the Corolla, which had the A family of motors from Toyota. The A lineup was used until 1997 (4A-FE and 7A-FE). Any Corolla 1998 and beyond uses the ZZ motor - different stuff (1ZZ-FE), the same motor in the base model Vibe/Matrix.

The Camry four-cylinder, since the late 80'*, has been the * family, which is the same family of proven motor used in World Rally up until Toyota'* withdrawal from it in '99 (3S-GTE). Up until 1991, it was a 2.0L 3S-FE. 1992-1996 and 1997-2001, the car you mention, is the 5S-FE, displacing 2.2L. Weak thing that is (125-135hp), but reliable as hell. Basic, economical transportation with uber-reliability to boot. Just don't try highway merging with the A/C on full blast + auto tranny + passengers/cargo. The 2002 and beyond Camry now has an all-new 2.4L motor, the 2AZ-FE. Better than the 2001 motor, no doubt - You can drive comfortably with it now.


As for GM, my loyalties do not lie with them at all. Mine lie with Toyota, rather, old-school Toyotas. When it comes to four-cylinder transportation, I think that GM doesn't even come close to the Japanese, not even with the Ecotec. While the Ecotec makes nice power and all, its NVH isn't as up to par - perhaps it'* the fact that it'* a bigger 4cyl. Big four bangers do that, especially the 2.4L in my Nissan Altima (BAD BAD NVH in that thing.

Also, cars with rear discs dissipate heat better - resulting in less fade. Very old cars with front drums had bad fade - you might not want to touch the brakes for a while after coming to a stop off of a highway off-ramp. Discs have their cons too - more exposed parts. But all in all, I'd go with discs in the rear.

In short, I personally would only go with a GM product if it had a 3800 or the trucks with the Vortec V8'* - but even then, there can be better cars from other manufacturers out there. GM'* practically giving away their cars with their financing and leasing incentives - you can get a really good deal compared to stuff like Toyotas, but even then, GM is losing market share.

That'* my two cents folks, not intended to cause any hostility in any way, shape, or form
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Old 01-10-2004, 02:13 PM   #54
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Yes i stand corrected, i just remember what it was now. My neighbor in the dorms has a 94 celica, his base engine was similar to the camry, but now he'* got a 4A.

Something very nasty happened to the stock engine in it when his aunt owned it, so she gave it to him less engine for free.
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Old 01-10-2004, 03:23 PM   #55
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Yeah, the '94 Celica'* base engine was the Corolla 4A-FE, weak thing, but economical. The uplevel motor in the GT-* would be the two litre 3S-GE, much more better with power, like 160hp?
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Well there is the GT-Four...
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Ok this thread stops here...

REAL LIVE FACTS!!!!

A) GM is Number 1 (ONE) with auto sales with 46% of the market.
B) GM CREATED/Still owns(some of) Toyota.
C) Toyota is Number 2 (TWO) in auto sales.

OBVISOUSLY GM HAS DONE/IS DOING SOMTHING RIGHT.

I think that about tops it off.
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Ummmm.....I won't argue that GM owns some of Toyota.......but when did GM CREATE Toyota?
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History time.
After WW2 american car manufaturers wernt alowed to sell to some other countrys.. So GM just made Toyota to sell to other places. The early Land crushers had a GM truck drive train. The old 88 nova that there talking about its a toyota Tercell. Almost forgot, The toyota MAX thing forgot its full name, but its just a pontiac vibe (quess why... Cuz pontiac cant sell hardly any vibes, so they let toyota take it on)
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I believe GM helped get Japan back on their feet, but didn't buy a significant interest in Toyota until the late 80'* or early 90'*.
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