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Old 01-10-2004, 12:20 AM   #31
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Just thinking about your 2.8-present engine comparo...

The engine in my moms 2001 camry is a decendant of our 1988 Nova engine. The Nova in all seriousness with a manual is quicker accelerating.
Werd, my roommate in college had a 87 or 88 Nova that he used when his 96 Camaro SS was up for the winter. Nice little car for what it is. His was Auto tho.

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Just thinking about your 2.8-present engine comparo...

The engine in my moms 2001 camry is a decendant of our 1988 Nova engine. The Nova in all seriousness with a manual is quicker accelerating.
Werd, my roommate in college had a 87 or 88 Nova that he used when his 96 Camaro SS was up for the winter. Nice little car for what it is. His was Auto tho.

Jay[/quoteThing was pretty fast, and it doesn't sound like it should? Been in our family all our life, and it'* been pretty reliable. We just wanted a runner when we got it, and it'* done it'* job fine. Sure i mangled the front in an accident, but it'* still a hoot to drive. It'* no bonnie though...
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Just thinking about your 2.8-present engine comparo...

The engine in my moms 2001 camry is a decendant of our 1988 Nova engine. The Nova in all seriousness with a manual is quicker accelerating.
Werd, my roommate in college had a 87 or 88 Nova that he used when his 96 Camaro SS was up for the winter. Nice little car for what it is. His was Auto tho.

Jay[/quoteThing was pretty fast, and it doesn't sound like it should? Been in our family all our life, and it'* been pretty reliable. We just wanted a runner when we got it, and it'* done it'* job fine. Sure i mangled the front in an accident, but it'* still a hoot to drive. It'* no bonnie though...
He just traded his in on a *-10, it had 92k on it then. He got it with 40 something on it. From what I remember for what the car was it would go, but no barn burner.

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The fun stops when you start bashing GM trucks (silverado SS)
Its deeper then performance or they would have put a supercharged HO 8.1L in there.... Dont you think? Its a special edition because the Short box/Crew cab/LT/1500 is the veriation that GM has sold the most of sense about 1993... That would Equal... 10 Years... Thats a good date to make a special edition... I'm sure as **** that GM will make a 2 door base model silverado with a high output engine cheaper then the dodge.

Whats wrong with Isuzu?? They build good engines... oh and the duramax.

Qoute from http://duramaxdiesel.com/01_features/sub01.htm
Manufactured in the United States, Isuzu was chosen because of their design expertise, production capability and performance record for building high quality products. Isuzu is a world leader in diesel engine design and development, and has produced more than 13 million diesel engines in the past six decades.
(Yes I agree the base model intieror is crap on the colorado!... but whats a base model worth? 3,000 more then a caviler!! Its not a BENTLY --SORRY)

SSR= a little fun truck... Nothing more... Think of it as NOTHING more...
You wanna go spin your tires? then go drive on some ice...

GTO. You guys like it, and I do too, But on the other end(people who bought C5s). They dont like it because they dont want any GM product to get there engine...
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Well the C5'* are being outdone this summer anyways by the C6. The LS1 and LS6 can do very nice in a new F body once the vette'* been upgraded, which will make ford bring back some iteration of the 5.0 most likely....

The new Silverado SS isn't bad, it'* a fast truck for sure, and they're very close to the Other speed trucks but they didn't have to go overboard on the engine. It'* the begining, i'm sure the SS will become sickly powered soon enough.... I

The SSR is a mid life crisis vehicle, just like the prowler etc, because they want a car that'* fun like Tofu said, not just crazy performance. I loved the prowler BTW.....
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couldnt resist..

Why does a 2,900-32,000 lb car need rear discs? 78% of the braking is at the front. The malibu comes standerd with ABS, the Camry doesnt.
A disc brake with a park brake assembly is worth a pretty penny, even to GM. I'm not sure if you know this but, GM is around to make money, and they did alot of it with those cav./sunflowers...
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Why does a 2,900-32,000 lb car need rear discs? 78% of the braking is at the front. The malibu comes standerd with ABS, the Camry doesnt.
A disc brake with a park brake assembly is worth a pretty penny, even to GM. I'm not sure if you know this but, GM is around to make money, and they did alot of it with those cav./sunflowers...
I could resist but i knew someone else would come in...
I've also heard that drums are better at being a parking brake, specially on hills, from a couple of sources. I don't mind having drums that much. I don't need discs to impress others.
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If ya need the look, you could always get those fake discs they sell in the rice section of the parts store. Problem is, they cost like 70 bucks fo a couple of pie tins you bolt between the drum and the wheel...
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Why does a 2,900-32,000 lb car need rear discs? 78% of the braking is at the front.
Cars with rear discs have a better brake pedal feel to them. It is a preference if mine and something I perfer in a car. My Trans Am has discs and it only weighs 3,277. I love pedal feel it gives. Cars with discs also stop better, or they wouldn't be a 'better' system.

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The malibu comes standerd with ABS, the Camry doesnt.
I dont want ABS or Traction Control on any car I own. I turn the T/C off on my SSEi befor it goes in drive. I disconnected the ABS in my truck, I could not stand it.

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A disc brake with a park brake assembly is worth a pretty penny, even to GM. I'm not sure if you know this but, GM is around to make money, and they did alot of it with those cav./sunflowers...
I do know that, I am an engineer who gets reminded everyday by my employer that they are there to make money...

Back to the ABS as standard on GM cars. I wish they would stop putting OnStar in everything. Why cant they make the car prewired from the factory and make it a dealer installed option. If I buy a higher end car I have to pay for a unnecessary feature that I dont want. Needs to be optional.

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If ya need the look, you could always get those fake discs they sell in the rice section of the parts store. Problem is, they cost like 70 bucks fo a couple of pie tins you bolt between the drum and the wheel...


I did spend an afternoon disecting my brothers Eldorado rear discs to see if I could engineer a retrofit to my car. I am still Noodling it over.

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