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Old 04-11-2007, 05:55 PM   #51
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Hey, we don't have to lose all of that, Pick your favorite (hopefully light) car and convert it.

It doesn't have to be slow:
http://www.nedra.com/record_holders.html

And if you read the right books (and have the ability to learn) you can do it yourself:
http://austinev.org/

Or, You can buy one somebody else converted!
http://www.squidoo.com/cheap-electric-car/


It won't fix the issue tommorrow, But everyone you show the car will think that much better of it. Just like when you show your buddies your Bonneville and a year later they have one


On a different train, Why scream at GM and EPA for the car you want everyone to drive to be produced. If you really want that, Get it. They're available and not bank-breakers. GM got the market by winning over the public with it'* distance capabilities and running Detroit Electric and others out of business. Well, 250miles per charge is easily attainable now, and gas is expensive. Why keep buying GM cars if they're not what you want?
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Old 04-11-2007, 07:30 PM   #52
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umm in not talking about the way it is now. im talking about if 50% of the people in the US stoped driving that cars to go to work and put 30% less miles on it a year, they would keep it a year or two longer. and that year or two will be a lot less cars the Auto makers will be selling.
Unfortunately, the companies will have to adapt to the changes. It'* just how things are going to have to be.
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Old 04-13-2007, 04:25 PM   #53
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All this talk about emissions and government regulations, and the whole time im thinking about this:

http://www.teslamotors.com

If they could go into mass production, their prices would be lower, and I would definitely be one of their customers. The only thing im worried about is that they may go the way of the DeLorean and be bought out and destroyed by GM.
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i take that home with me too.
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Old 04-13-2007, 04:45 PM   #55
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Economics is always about supply and demand. If the demand were truly there, then GM and all the other OEMs would already be offering the products. Why wouldn't they?
well if that was true.. that why did they stop making some of the best cars/trucks that where selling good.

IE. Ford Bronco, Chevy Caprice... and there are more.
Both of your examples are proof of what I wrote. You say they were selling good. Maybe so, in a relative sense, but their sales were not good enough to justify their continued existence in the eyes of their respective OEMs.

Bronco'* sales had been sliding for years, just like the current Ranger has been for over ten years now. It too will die. The level of tooling required to keep a vehicle designed for much higher sales volume can no longer be justified. So the vehicle is tanked.

Caprice sales volume never reached what GM tooled and marketed for...bye, bye.

I know. The automotive supplier I used to work for priced their product on the expected GM sales volume and tooled accordingly. They also lost their shirts on the Caprice.

Pure economics.
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http://www.teslamotors.com
im in love!!
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Maybe I am one of the few who just thinks - "my car is not the most fuel-efficient, but I will go ahead and live with the fuel cost." 3.8 LeSabres are far from the best economy.
I figure if I decide i hate spending however much for fuel, I will get something smaller.
I don't know why the SUV owners don't embrace the same idea.

European cars are better for mileage, but some of them are real tiny and super ugly.
Feast your eyes on this ugly machine, and imagine trying to get comfy while driving it -
http://www.diseno-art.com/encycloped...lt_twingo.html

The citroŽn is even more awful looking [tho I would never tell my friend Claudine that...]-
http://www.citroen.com/CWW/fr-FR
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I feel that a Rating of 19 city and 29 Hwy ( some model years 30 hwy ) with a 3.06 gear ratio attached to a 3800 L36, implanted in a full size car is quite good mileage if you ask me..

And even then the L27 Tuned Port is rated at 19 city and 28 Hwy in that same full size car with the same gear ratio...

If we look back and look at the LN3 attached to a 3.33 Ratio, I believe the rating for it was 17 city and 26-27 Hwy...

IIRC my 91 LE with the 2.84 Ratio was rated at 18 city and 27-28 Hwy... I have never had any issues doing 30 mpg with this car on the road... And I have to beat on it to get down to 30mpg..

Several others with the L27 TPI with 2.84 gears have reported as much as 33-34 On the open road above the speed limit..


A neighbor has a Sonata with the 2.7 V6.... We compared Mileage once as I wanted to compare small V6 to a larger Pushrod V6... Best he said he could do was 30 Mpg... I pulled a 32mpg and we took almost the same route, his ending before mine.. Roughly 1000 miles up and back.. All of that from 3.8 liters of displacement...

Some 4 cylinders aren't even that good..

And even the newer 3400-3500'* have become better... Even the 3.29 geared 3500 manages some good numbers.. I'll bet with the 3.05 gears a 3500 would be great on fuel.. Or even 2.93'*.... May be a bit heavy for gearing, but would net great numbers on the road...

All of these cars from 88-99 and 00-05 with the 3800 NA or SC are capable of good mileage...

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wouldnt it be great if, in light of raised CAFE standards, GM decided to bring back the 3800?

leave me alone to my dreams.
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When was the last time you guys took a road trip ?

I drove to Charlotte NC last week and then on to Myrtle Beach. There were no "small" cars to speak of. The small ones were being driven by one person, which makes sense. When you need to pack a family of 4, luggage and pets you need bigger. I drove my wife'* Chrylser Pacifica. I would have like to have gotten better mileage (25), I would have liked to have taken the Bonne. When they can give me the room for all the crap we took with us, with the comfort of her car and room to stretch without poking somebodies eye out I'm all for it. But until then I want my big comfy car. Notice that Hyundai, Toyota, Honda etc have redesigned their cars over the last few years and their big sales pitch is "bigger - more roomy interior". I can pull up next to a guy in a Hyundai and ask what kinda mileage he gets. I get the same in the Bonne and I drive what is considered Full Size.

Don't get me wrong save the environment and all but don't blame the auto industry alone.

The people in big oil are making more profit now than they have ever before, which says to me gas prices do not need to be this high.

If they stop making full size "gas guzzlers" then I will have to drive 2 small cars to visit family. where is the envirnoment in that picture.

I also think as Americans we need to start using our brains. IE: You drove a Hummer to the grocery store, alone, to get a loaf of bread ???? That makes no sense to me. A Hummer or huge turbo diesel is designed for WORK not groceries. People who have these vehicle should seriously consider something more fuel effiecent for none WORK things.

I drive a Bonne cause I like it. I put customers that would not fit in a Hyundai tiberon or geo metro in it. I haul all sorts of crap in the trunk.

I also walk to the grocery for milk or bread. My wifes car goes 6 months before it goes 3000 miles.

People need to use there heads and right now the gov't has lost theres.

Sorry if I rant but I just got home from vacation and the drive was rough. Don't even get me started on IDIOT drivers.
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