It doesn't really matter to me.

You know what I was trying to get across, and you told me what you were trying to get across. Our points have been made. I really have nothing more to say.

Because..the feeling of driving down the track..pass after pass with some nutjob that drove from CT and being pretty much side by side makes it all worth it.

If I can..I'd like to respectfully request we lock this one down and allow it to slide into the abyss with the Titanic. (which I was watching again the other night, go start a new thread to flame me )

After reading all the posts in here, I'm not seeing what will end any real debate over potential, or possible times. The only thing that can do that is hard numbers.

No one'* arguing the hard work that'* been done, and the vast improvements that have been made, and advances. The comments on the first page had predictions/conjections, etc on what the S1 may be capable of.

Some members thought those predictions were off given the data from this summer. The only way to prove whether a consensus is right, is to test, modify if need be, and test again. Discrediting a poster on this board by the mechanical abilities you may think they do or don't have, or by the number of people agreeing with a certain side, is not the way to win an argument.

More people around here probably think domestics are better then imports. That doesn't mean that it'* true or false, it'* merely their conviction. Except with Titanic Boosty. We KNOW that'* bad.

Edited for grammar.

But calling foul on a subject you have no personal experience with? Over the claims of those that actually HAVE personal experience with it? That'* where we go foul.

There are times when you have to tell yourself not to post, simply because you don't really KNOW. You weren't THERE. You didn't SEE it, but those other people did........

:?:

That'* where we actually become part of the human race. We get along because we can admit when someone else might know more.

Threads like this happen all the time here.
For instance there was my shift point thread, my L67 TB thread, and others I can't remember.
I think this forum needs improvement in its debates. Too many times people are just out to prove the other wrong. They discredit make belittling comments etc.
There is defintiely some politics goin on here too.

There are ZERO politics going on here. That very thing is being discussed in the Admins/Mods section in parallel with this topic.

Nobody out on the West Coast is BSing because I said to, or because of WHO I am or how many posts I have.

That line of reasoning is the farthest thing from the truth, it'* entirely laughable, and that'* EXACTLY what the rest of the Moderator team is doing.

Ask them.

My point is I can't say what I want on here. It just turns into lets see how to trap him.

I have NFC what you're getting at.

I can tell you that there has LONG been rumors of a 'conspiracy' amongst the Staff here, going back to before I was an Admin. Most of them started with Deathrat crying foul. I can also tell you that every current Moderator on this Forum will laugh at you for hinting at it for a good reason. It doesn't exist. The owner of this Forum, Jeff Keacher, is privy to EVERY topic posted in the Staff area(*) here. We hide nothing, nor do we attempt to.

If what you're referring to is something along these lines, you can put it aside. If you'd like Jeff Keacher'* personal reply to this (right here, in this topic), we can arrange that as well.

Nope not even close to what i'm talking about.
As sent to you in pm:

Ohh.....I gotcha. The ZZP thing. NP.