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Old 10-23-2006, 06:34 PM   #41
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Shawn, buddy, don't dig yourself in deeper than what you already are....

In what car in your sig has a S1 */C engine?


You don't have one do you....

You really have no clue what you are talking about...
In a nutshell, I think what John is trying to get across is this:

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In his defense, we didn't really understand the difference between the two L67'* on this Forum until after WCBF04. But in spite of that knowledge, he STILL doesn't understand they're two totally different animals.
EXACTLY what I mean.
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How much do you honestly think spinning at the shift hurt your trap speed. I drove my dads GTP spinning ALL THE WAY to the 1000' and it still trapped 110mph.

I would love to see that.

When a tire spins it typically drops to less than 50% grip.
A good example is my blown Jetta. On a well prepped track I spin for 30+ feet, on an unprepped surface I spin for about the same distance but my ET is more than 1.5 seconds slower.

I really can't say which transaxle is stronger but size is not the best way to tell. Design, alloy, heat treatment are just some of the variables that can affect ultimate strength.

I never heard Bill claim his car can run 13'*. Bill'* credibility here has been earned over many years.
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My gear ratio is 2.93 as opposed to the 65E(hd) at 2.97.

Shawn, Shadd outlaunched ME on that run! And I STILL beat him to the 1/8 by at least a length or two. The vid makes it hard to determine exactly due to the angle it was shot at.

You're not listening to a word anyone here is telling you, including Matt. My car kills his in the same way.

Every single member that has attended WCBF any of the 3 years will tell you that there is a remarkable difference in how the Series 1 L67 develops and delivers it'* power. You simply are NOT going to understand until you experience and witness it for yourself.

Shad launches perfectly EVERY single time, BTW.

Here'* an example of my car beating a S2, and Billboost (556) will tell you he distinctly heard my second gear break loose. In fact, right after the run in the staging lanes, he said "broke 2nd again, eh?":


Shawn, I'M NOT THE ONE WHO MADE THE 13'* claim about my own car. That was a compilation of S2 owners at WCBF discussing my traction issues. My claims have no bearing on my post count because they're not MY claims.

Discuss things all you want with your buddies. You won't listen to anyone that was at WCBF and has driven all these cars each year (like Matt above, or Greyhare who knows my car perhaps better than anyone here besides myself) so why are you even partaking in this discussion to begin with?

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also realize its way off topic, but when people make BS claims about their 92mph car that can run 13'*, I'm not gonna let people just sit around a believe it because you are Mr "I have 35000 posts so they'll listen to what I say." It has been pissing me off lately that just because you have a stupid amount of posts, you feel you can just tell people whatever you want and they'll believe it even though a lot of what i've seen from you lately has been a big pile of ***^. I was just discussing that with another member of this forum at MGM that seemed to have the same feelings as me.
I didn't make the claims. Other WCBF'ers (who'* opinions and expertise are well-respected here) did. Your insinuations about my credibility being linked to either my post count or Admin rank on this Forum are out of line and inappropriate.

What you've seen from me is a big pile of ***^? Ok, Matt and Mike are also big piles of ***^, as are the 3 guys that told ME that I might hit 13'* if I could hook up my car?

No, there'* no ***^ out West, Shawn. But there'* some a bit to the East of us.

In the condition wren'* car was in at the track I dont think he was close to 13s. However it still needs some more work. Shawn does have a point, that little screech on the 1-2 shift did not accout for much loss.

However the series 1 do throw back MUCH harder from the launch, Take bob'* car for example, off the line it feels like theres not even a supercharger on it, until you hit 30sh mph.

My car which should have been in the middle 14s if I did not have so much KR on the 2-3 shift and if I had slicks, this is with a gen II setup with a 2.3" pulley. So that would make bill'* car at least at a 40hp advantage I'd think with the Gen III, 2.0" etc.


I'd think with slicks you could shave off at least 2 10ths of the 60ft and no more slipping on the 1-2 shift. This would equate to a low 14 second car with slicks. 14.2ish i'd guess.

unless some magic could happen or something its going to need a smaller pulley/further porting or rockers to get into the 13s

but still a 14.2 run would be impressive from a car that only has 205hp and is 3500lbs or so with just a pulley. . who knows, nobody has ever put slicks on a series one that I know of and it could just throw a 60' time equivilant of a 12 second series II, looks like we are going to need to wait until next year. if nothing changes iit might just run 13s with a 1.9ish 60ft
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These are the kinds of threads that I can't stand.

I think Shawn has just enough credibility on this forum (especially mechanically) as many of the veterans do. This thread is total deja vu to what happened about a month or so ago with Blazin. One claims that a car can run a certain time but there is no proof.

Instead, people are claiming that the Series I is God'* gift to man.

There is going to be criticism until there is proof, and that is what Shawn is trying to get across. The Series II has proven itself to be quite the motor ... so there will be criticism until the Series I can backup what it boasts.
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I think Shawn has just enough credibility on this forum (especially mechanically) as many of the veterans do. This thread is total deja vu to what happened about a month or so ago with Blazin. One claims that a car can run a certain time but there is no proof.

Instead, people are claiming that the Series I is God'* gift to man.
You missed a couple key points, Sol. Does Shawn have any more credibility on this Forum than those that attended WCBF and made the ET projections on my car?

And God'* Gift to Man? Where did you get that from? No, the point being made is that the Series 1 actually has potential, and in some ways excels over the S2. SOME ways.

It'* a well-known fact out West where we run S1 and S2 L67'* side-by-side every year that they are uniquely different in how they perform at the track.
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These are the kinds of threads that I can't stand.

I think Shawn has just enough credibility on this forum (especially mechanically) as many of the veterans do. This thread is total deja vu to what happened about a month or so ago with Blazin. One claims that a car can run a certain time but there is no proof.

Instead, people are claiming that the Series I is God'* gift to man.

There is going to be criticism until there is proof, and that is what Shawn is trying to get across. The Series II has proven itself to be quite the motor ... so there will be criticism until the Series I can backup what it boasts.
Wow, you really do sound like a GP owner Sol, congratz...
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I agree with Sol that this may be getting a little more heated than it should; I think he missed some key points.

No claims were made. Some members with more than a little track time and experience with both S1 and S2 L67'* made some predictions about the Zilla'* potential. Those educated guesses were made based on experience with both engines and Zilla.

I don't understand how someone who has never seen the Zilla and has no experience with the S1 l67 (That I am aware of) can cry foul and expect to be taken seriously.

I know what Zilla can do as it sits, I have seen it, I do not know what it will do if the traction issue is solved but, my bet is it will surprise a few folks.
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I ran a 15.09 at 90.x mph, my friend'* SRT4 ran a 13.9 at about 101mph. I beat him in 60' and he didn't catch me till just before the 1/8th. And he knows how to drive. My point... It is where the power is made.

I ran that 15.09 with a pretty good launch. If Zilla can run 4 tenths better and only 2 mph higher... clean up the launch... it'* at least pretty low 14s.
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You missed a couple key points, Sol. Does Shawn have any more credibility on this Forum than those that attended WCBF and made the ET projections on my car?

And God'* Gift to Man? Where did you get that from? No, the point being made is that the Series 1 actually has potential, and in some ways excels over the S2. SOME ways.
He has plenty of credibility mechanically. He'* proven time and time again he knows his stuff about cars ... and racing for that matter. He'* just one that goes against the grain and brings criticism. However, many on here don't seem to take well to that sort of thing. Never have either...

God'* gift to man ... this is what I infer from reading topics relating to the S1.


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Wow, you really do sound like a GP owner Sol, congratz...
I want to ignore that, but when I read this, I see the attitude of a mod from ClubGP. Grow up.
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You missed a couple key points, Sol. Does Shawn have any more credibility on this Forum than those that attended WCBF and made the ET projections on my car?

And God'* Gift to Man? Where did you get that from? No, the point being made is that the Series 1 actually has potential, and in some ways excels over the S2. SOME ways.
He has plenty of credibility mechanically. He'* proven time and time again he knows his stuff about cars ... and racing for that matter. He'* just one that goes against the grain and brings criticism. However, many on here don't seem to take well to that sort of thing. Never have either...

God'* gift to man ... this is what I infer from reading topics relating to the S1.


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Wow, you really do sound like a GP owner Sol, congratz...
I want to ignore that, but when I read this, I see the attitude of a mod from ClubGP. Grow up.


He might be a good mechanic, but when has he been wrenching under a S1?

I had taken my car to many shops trying to figure out why my car was shredding belts. They replaced damn near every pully on the car, but it wasn't until WCBF when we discoverd that it was a gatorback belt that was the wrong size

What I'm trying to get at, is you don't have any grounds to stand on if you don't have the actual experience to back it up...
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