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Old 09-01-2006, 03:02 PM   #61
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Looks like ill be sticking to old Pontiacs. The newer ones are going to be crap sorry to say. No AWD/FWD for all year long driving, ugly design, no Bonneville. Yup, this is bye bye Pontiac for me.

Good luck trying to get out of the red GM, you make one stupid decision after another. Look out, cus here comes bankruptcy!
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Looks like ill be sticking to old Pontiacs. The newer ones are going to be crap sorry to say. No AWD/FWD for all year long driving, ugly design, no Bonneville. Yup, this is bye bye Pontiac for me.

Good luck trying to get out of the red GM, you make one stupid decision after another. Look out, cus here comes bankruptcy!
Actually, I'd say that going to RWD is a good move for the Pontiac division. Since Pontiac is supposed to be the "performance" division of GM, then why wouldn't you go to RWD? Look at all the supposed performance cars out there: BMW, Mercedes Benz, Aston Martin, Porsche, Ferrari etc. etc etc. All of these companies have their line-ups RWD up and down the board. The only argument that can be said is that Pontiac isn't developing an AWD system for their cars (that we know of).

Besides, with the addition of traction control and all the other electronic nannies out there, winter driving is not what it used to be with RWD
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Good point. Over the last 12 years I've had to put my 4x4 F150 into 4 wheel mode just 4 times. All of them for blizzards.
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Yeah, pushrod is pretty much dead...
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the LS7 is a pushrod motor.....
Aye, you are correct. I did not know that myself until I just did more research. GM is pretty much the only company using pushrod at all. I think all the vortec engines are pushrod. I am 99% sure ford has completely dropped pushrod.


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Besides, with the addition of traction control and all the other electronic nannies out there, winter driving is not what it used to be with RWD
True dat. Even an LSD makes a RWD vehicle quite manageable for the average driver.
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One of the few reasons to get a DOHC package instead of an OHV is higher redline, however some OHV motors go well into 7,000 rpm range OE.

Otherwise OHC is larger physically for the same displacement, more expensive to fix, more parts, more to replace.

The current Vortec engines are actually Gen III or Gen IV engines just like the LSx series. Main differences are the blocks are made of iron, and the heads aren't as radical. Also the LSx hasn't recieved DOD yet, or VVT.
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its looking a little better. if it comes thru I'm saving my money....screw buying a house, I want one of these.
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Looks like ill be sticking to old Pontiacs. The newer ones are going to be crap sorry to say. No AWD/FWD for all year long driving, ugly design, no Bonneville. Yup, this is bye bye Pontiac for me.

Good luck trying to get out of the red GM, you make one stupid decision after another. Look out, cus here comes bankruptcy!
Actually, I'd say that going to RWD is a good move for the Pontiac division. Since Pontiac is supposed to be the "performance" division of GM, then why wouldn't you go to RWD? Look at all the supposed performance cars out there: BMW, Mercedes Benz, Aston Martin, Porsche, Ferrari etc. etc etc. All of these companies have their line-ups RWD up and down the board. The only argument that can be said is that Pontiac isn't developing an AWD system for their cars (that we know of).

Besides, with the addition of traction control and all the other electronic nannies out there, winter driving is not what it used to be with RWD
You obviously dont know what a Chicago winter is like...
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It'* all in how you drive. My first three cars were rwd, with the first two being an '81 and an '84, so not too high tech. They were fine. Obviously they would have the ability to lose control easier in a panic situation, but I only once had a problem in any of the three. That day there was about four to five inches of slush on the street, and I probably would have had trouble in a fwd car as well. The only downside I had compared to the fwd was that I had to be a little easier on the gas taking off from a slick corner. Really rwd is almost better because it makes you pay more attention. I think fwd cars give people a false sense of security and a license to drive way too fast for conditions.
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Looks like ill be sticking to old Pontiacs. The newer ones are going to be crap sorry to say. No AWD/FWD for all year long driving, ugly design, no Bonneville. Yup, this is bye bye Pontiac for me.

Good luck trying to get out of the red GM, you make one stupid decision after another. Look out, cus here comes bankruptcy!
Actually, I'd say that going to RWD is a good move for the Pontiac division. Since Pontiac is supposed to be the "performance" division of GM, then why wouldn't you go to RWD? Look at all the supposed performance cars out there: BMW, Mercedes Benz, Aston Martin, Porsche, Ferrari etc. etc etc. All of these companies have their line-ups RWD up and down the board. The only argument that can be said is that Pontiac isn't developing an AWD system for their cars (that we know of).

Besides, with the addition of traction control and all the other electronic nannies out there, winter driving is not what it used to be with RWD
You obviously dont know what a Chicago winter is like...
Chicago, no
Northwest PA, where lake effect snow is an everyday event, yes.
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