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Bonneville GXP/ Northstar Powered Cars Discuss your Bonneville GXP and/or any other Northstar powered Olds or Cadillac... Including the 3.5L Twin Cam V6 (Short Star ) 4.0L and 4.6L Northstar V8's. Please use General Chat for non-mechanical issues, and Performance and Brainstorming for improvements.

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Old 05-15-2005, 03:51 PM   #71
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You definitely have him on looks, options, and comfort. But this further proves the point that the N* needs some help.
I'm tellin' you Bill, check one out!!! If anything they are optioned waaaaay better than anything GM at that price; i.e. navagation, awd etc.
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Old 05-16-2005, 06:06 PM   #72
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I wouldn't know, I don't take out an expensive rig just to beat the **** out of it! THe Northstar is quick, but not that quick. My wife & I had a 1995 Impala SS new, that seemd a whole faster to me.
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Come on Northstar or L67 3800 Supercharger? I will take the Northstar over the older 3800 V6, don't be fooled the L67 is a wonderful motor but the LD8 Northstar is just as good and or better in performance! A stock SSEi will run to sixty in 7.2 seconds or so depending upon the test and mag. A stock GXP will run to sixty in 6.8-6.9 depending on the mag! The 5 grand extra is worth it for the motor! DOHC or OHV... Humm which one costs more and is smoother... DOHC prolly but the OHV 3800 is a hard to beat motor... Prolly one of the best motors ever mass produced but then agian who doesn't want a Northstar? I mean come on guys anyone who argues that 275hp isn't better than the 240hp SSEi is crazy! And to be honest some low end tug is gone but gained is top end rpm'* and a stirring exhaust! But top end high horsepower for the booty shaker in all of us! Each wonderful cars... Each sharp cars... But the GXP is sharper in everyway except for touqe curve, not as flat and as much low end as the SSEi! Buttom line a muscle car nut might appericate the SSEi'* low end tug but then agian who can forget a GXP'* 4.6L 279ci. DOHC 32V'* Northstar'* power and musical note! Import buyers or horsepower/V8 junkies like Northstar! Loyalist'* and Touqre monkies like the 3800 L67 with Blower! So its your choice, touqre and tradition or V8 high end ponies! Each great but it must be your call! Give me a NORTHSTAR 32V! The GXP is a better looking car in my opion! No body cladding, no fender strikes! And a sweet new nose the GXP looks better! LONG LIVE THE BONNIE! The next one make RWD and give it a small block V8? LS2 or LS4? Or hell another Northstar... But call it the BONNEVILLE the name is time tested and rememebered as a great large car in history! Don't throw away heritage build on it! IDOT BASTARDS IN MARKTING! Look at the Pariesen or what ever that late 70'* early 80'* boat! I want a Bonneville not some DAMN G8! That is BMW bullshit don't pull it on me now! Come on Bobby you hold the cards! Long live the Bonneville and Pontiac! And God Bless you American car buying, economy supporting wonderful faithful AMERICANS!
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GM4life, you need to look at hard results of stock vs. stock on this forum. Real world experiences. The stock 3800 L67 Series 2 kills the N* hands down in performance. In every case, no exceptions.

And the N* isn't the 'new' technology you claim it to be. It'* actually quite old. It is (and always will be) the venerable 4.9 liter Caddy motor. They just renamed it and updated it, just like they updated and renamed the L67 in 1996.

Torque is what moves a heavy car, not horsepower. You absolutely cannot argue with pure track results, and they ALL hand the win to the 3800 over the N*.

My own 1993 will kill a N*. Every time.
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gm4life have you even driven either car? i sure as hell know you don't own a gxp, you just like looking at pictures of them. convince me that a stock gxp will perform much better than an ssei and i will leave the L67 defending to Bill
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Don't get me wrong, I've owned and driven both motors. I am, and will always be a GM fan (for life). But the N* in my caddy had no bottom end. Even my 3300 Cutlas Ciera had more low-end grunt than my caddy.

The L67 I own, and all those I've driven, including the other N*'* prove this to me, and back up the track numbers here that I already know to be true with both drivetrains.

I've owned nearly every GM drivetrain family since 1984. Starting with a 1977 Camaro (bored to 383).

This argument over which is quicker in the 1/4 is ridiculous in the face of the facts presented here. The N* may have the edge from 100-120 mph, but it would have too much ground to make up at that point anyway. It'* not a performance motor.

But I like the GXP, nevertheless. It'* a Bonneville.
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Something to think about:

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Man, I couldn't agree with you more. The GXP is a Bonneville, and I love it for that, but only for looks. The seats are worse than ours, and the drivetrain obviously is. I'll never buy one, even if it becomes a collector'* item. In a sense, it'* a rebadged STS, nothing more. A cheap attempt at a new market.

It'* like the .40 caliber. Too many people thought the .45 Auto was too much to handle, but thought the 9mm was too light (9mm is .357"). So they 'invented' the .40 which was pretty much between, and marketed for that crowd. The .40 was nothing but a shortened 10mm Auto case. With a 10mm/.40 caliber bullet crimped in.

The net result? A bigger bullet, less velocity. So the 9mm is a smaller bullet with more velocity. It'* a wash. Both have the same muzzle energy as a result, but the .40 loses energy faster due to the bigger fight it has in flight against the air. It'* a joke.

In many respects, the GXP fits into the same category. It was a market and niche GM wanted to fill, because of what they felt the customers wanted, not because it made any kind of sense.
But the ultimate question is can the N* get better? Sure. There'* stuff out there to beef it up, and what we do here is help people go faster and run better. Nobody is bashing the N*. Even the 3800 needed help when it came out, and it has that help now. So let'* start turning our focus to what we can do for the GXP to give it what it lacks. Bottom end.
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This is a stupid question...

I know replacing Cams can get expensive when you have 4 to replace... But would it be possible to install a high torque cam while keeping the high end HP?

My friend once put a High torque cam in his 3.0 V6 when it wore a cam lobe off... The little 3.0 was always strong... Spin the tires on call, and always screamed right through the rev band...

He replaced that 3.0 with another 3.0... It has the stock cam in it... Runs good but nowhere near as strong...

Just a thought..

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You don't wanna give up that top end for tons of lower torque though. If speed is the goal, then uber-streetability (aka lots of lower torque vs high) isn't the best way to get there.
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You don't wanna give up that top end for tons of lower torque though. If speed is the goal, then uber-streetability (aka lots of lower torque vs high) isn't the best way to get there.


STREETability? Jason, I don't spend much time over 100mph, and neither does anyone else. For the way most of us here drive, the low-down torque is the way to go. Which is why stock L67'* kill GXP'* on the 1/4 mile. Think about it.
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