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Old 07-09-2005, 12:45 PM   #11
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Here is a pic I took right after I removed the intake manifold.... Look close, the Fel-Pro gaskets still look like new... They were on there for about 3.5 years...


When you do this again, get the Fel-Pro intake gasket set, and if it doesn't come with it get some silicone black High temp sensor safe... This will be used at the corners of the rubber manifold seals...

When you clean the heads, make sure you use a wire brush and get them spotless, then clean them with the throttlebody cleaner... Clean them one final time before reinstalling everything on the car...

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My 'sensor safe' silicone is blue, is that okay? lol

Actually, i'm curioius about the wire brush.. do you mean like toothbrush strength, or something stronger? Wire.. like a metal? Because the brushes I have.. I used to clean the caked on oil on the heads and intake. It didn't scratch anything, nor did it remove all the paint or anything like that.. but my heads and block seem kind of susceptable to scratching.

BTW, your Fel-pros look a helluva lot better than my GM ones. And your lifter valley looks like you cleaned it, then poured brand new oil over it, to make everyone jealous .


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Look at the gaskets...pretty obvious that there'* not suppost to be any sealant that goes on them. With the lil rubber like lookin surrounds going all over the gasket. Plus, did the OEM gasket have any RTV?
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My 'sensor safe' silicone is blue, is that okay? lol

Actually, i'm curioius about the wire brush.. do you mean like toothbrush strength, or something stronger? Wire.. like a metal? Because the brushes I have.. I used to clean the caked on oil on the heads and intake. It didn't scratch anything, nor did it remove all the paint or anything like that.. but my heads and block seem kind of susceptable to scratching.

BTW, your Fel-pros look a helluva lot better than my GM ones. And your lifter valley looks like you cleaned it, then poured brand new oil over it, to make everyone jealous .


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A good eire brush like you would use on the end of a drill... I have a couple of those...

Yeah those Fel-Pros came out looking pretty good... No issues at all... They held up great...

Yeah that lifter Valley is like that just because of the oil schedule I keep... I change it weather it needs it or not... The oil is never black...

This pis is from the 95... Its all about the oil changes...


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like those?

Should I also clean up all the gasket mating surfaces on the intake and such too? Because the intake'* mating surfaces are pretty gross.. damn coolant.

How do you get your oil like that? As soon as I put oil in and start the car, it'* black. How often do you change the oil in your cars? And how often did you have to change them to get them to look like that?


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like those?

Should I also clean up all the gasket mating surfaces on the intake and such too? Because the intake'* mating surfaces are pretty gross.. damn coolant.

How do you get your oil like that? As soon as I put oil in and start the car, it'* black. How often do you change the oil in your cars? And how often did you have to change them to get them to look like that?


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Yes like the wire brushes pictured... The heads will not be a problem... The Cast Iron is pretty tuff... But the alluminum intake is a lot softer you'll want to be careful there...

Yes clean all of the gasket mating surfaces... If worse comes to worse use a teflon Pad on the intake, If you have any of the White or Blue scrubb pads( scotch Brite ...??) those will work without scratching the alluminum.... The Green pads will scratch the crapp out of the alluminum... Remember the white and blue are non abraisive...

The 95 was pretty well taken care of by the previous owner... I don't think an oil change was ever neglected... I think that oil had about 500 miles on it... But it has to be loaded with some moisture... The car has sat well over a month, with me cranking it up to move it or keep the battery up.... I'll be changing it to Mobil 1 as I'm going on a long trip in August... What I did when I first bought the car was changed the oil at 500 miles, and then 1000 miles, then 2000 miles later.... I generally change the oil every 2500-3000 miles regaurdless of what type of oil I use....

The 91 is pretty much in the same boat.... I changed the oil in it with some cheapie oil, ran around on it for a couple hundred miles, changed it with more cheapie oil for another few hundered miles, then I started using Havoline 10w30.... Most of the time that my oil of choice... I either get Mobil 10-30 or Havoline 10w30...

I had Mobil in my 91 when we went through the switching an engine that ran dino to Mobil 1.... You know bad for it bla bla bla.... I ran on Mobil 1 for almost a year, I was so short on time I didn't change the oil... I just kept checking it... It didn't use any, just like with the Dino, and the Mobil 1 seemed to stay cleaner longer.... after almost 1 year on the Mobil 1 the oil still was not dark... It was stilll transparent, almost like a molassass( spelling ) color.... Its due for an oil change now I think.... I'll have to check it on my day off... I should replace the oil pan gasket and the starter at the same time...LMAO

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Yeah that lifter Valley is like that just because of the oil schedule I keep... I change it weather it needs it or not... The oil is never black...
My dad'* really anal about oil change schedules as well, it seems to work well for us. Albeit, it'* dino oil that goes in, but it'* still changed before it gets black.

As a matter of fact, he'* changing the oil on mom'* Altima as I type this
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That'* amazing, I too did that 500mi crapola. Actually, I did it on accident when I broke the oil pan. And that was less than 50mi i think, then 200mi, then 100mi, then now.. and I went through a box of oil [12 quarts] before the car was even driven 10 mi. still, oil comes out black.. damn oil. Maybe once the car is driven regularly, I can do that.. 'till then, it'* black :(

got tons of those scotch brite pads.. everything is going to be spotless


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I'm scared.. please, somebody chime in and tell me everything is alright. please please please!! Even if you are lying..

I pulled the transmission pan.. and I found chunks of ****, that doesn't look healthy. On the good side, my super strong magnets[as I was removing the bolts, these magnets made the wrench hard to turn when it passed by them.. and that was at 2-3" away from the magnets themselves] didn't catch any metal particles, but I have this **** at the bottom of my pan. What doesn't make any sense, is that the ATF is a beautiful cherry red, and smells oh so wonderful, but at the bottom of the pan, there was black sludge.. is that because it didn't make it through the transmission filter?

Here are the pics..

You will notice the lump crap in the corners.. and the sludgy atf


again, sludgy atf, not so much lumpy stuff in this pic


This is a close-up of the crap that came out.. it'* still really strange feeling... almost like motor oil, that is a little overdue, maybe? Not sure how to describe it, but it doesn't feel like regular atf


Close-up of the lumpy stuff


This is an outter shot of the pan.. as you can see it'* pretty dirty, but you can also see the hardcore magnets mounted . Anyone disgree with the magnet placing? I just randomly placed them.. so i'm not sure if there is like an 'optimum spot' for them or something.


And I saved the best for last. Shot of the clean pan. The gasket mating surface got a little cleaner, but not a whole lot.


I have not installed the pan yet, but I have installed the filter, and cleaned everything up. It is so spotless in there, I wouldn't mind eating out of it. Even though it kinda was to begin with. I kept imagining like this really gross burnt, caked on ATF to be sitting up in there, but no it was super clean and beautiful in there. It'* all ready to go in, i'm just waiting for the sun to heat up the pan gasket so it isn't so bent up and makes easier for the install.

Anything I should do before I put it in? How about the crap in the bottom of the pan? Should I worry?

Oh yeah, and I got a little side tracked, I haven't dropped the exhaust yet, but I have gotten the front header, and crosspipe off.. just going to wait until the tranny is taken care of first.


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That'* not good dude....How long was that fluid in there???



That **** is clutch material.......She'* goin bye bye soon.
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