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Old 10-19-2007, 11:58 AM   #31
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I don't understand why you bought the painted headers only to have them coated.

ZZP ceramic coated pacesetters: $459.99

your costs so far: $450

if you cut the flange off the Pacesetter reducer, you can return that aftermarket reducer.
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Old 10-22-2007, 05:43 PM   #32
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ZZP ceramic coated pacesetters: $459.99
your costs so far: $450

if you cut the flange off the Pacesetter reducer, you can return that aftermarket reducer.
Hans'* Version:
$300 Shipped for Headers
$70 for Sandblasting and milling.
$50 for the coating
Total: $420


Ceramic Coated:
$492 Shipped for Headers
$50 for Milling/Machine Shop work.

Total: $542

I know both would need to be milled, every surface on mine were warped from the factory...this causes gaskets to blow out. also egr tube needed to be removed.


Attempting Header Install tonight!!!!
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So the quality of the PaceSetter headers is very much back in doubt.

I wasn't impressed with the two sets I've seen detailed before this, and after yours, I'm even more unimpressed.
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So the quality of the PaceSetter headers is very much back in doubt.

I wasn't impressed with the two sets I've seen detailed before this, and after yours, I'm even more unimpressed.
They are quality overall, the welds on mine were better than haro'*..no loose chunks. of course they need some work at a machine shop, the gasket surfaces in particular.

I'm still around 1/2 the cost of a set of SLP headers though and should see the same performance..I dont care what they look like as long as they dont leak when I'm done with them.

Basically, dont expect to be done when you pay the price on zzp'* site, you MUST purchase additional gaskets at least and to make them perfect you need to drop them off at a machine shop.
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I am glad we are getting more feedback on the Pacesetter headers but I must point out that Bill and I did not do any machine work on these headers . Only to trim the cars EGR tube to mate it to the headers, and mine are not leaking from the flanges.
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I did no machine work either. My flanges were straight. I am leak free after a couple thousand miles.
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My impression of them was for the cost.. they are a decent value.

However...there'* no replacement for TOGs for SLP'* if you want simple purchase and bolt on. (I think Ed M is the only person I've heard of with troubles on TOG'*) It'* a get what you pay for and maybe even a bit better. At $420 Hans is doing well compared to the pricing of other headers.
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Headers are on sorta....took me 4.5 hours to remove the stock exhaust manifolds and get the front and rear on.

A lot of time was spent with the EGR tube and it may still leak when I'm done with it.

For the rear...Easiest way to do it is with 40" worth of extensions and a 3/8" deep socket with a small swivel extension connected to a 20" 3/8" drive extension and then a 20" 1/2" extension with a big socket wrench.

Gaskets were in a good shape and would have been re-useable.

the only thing left is replacing the plugs + wires and putting the y-pipe and crossover pipe in. then off to the exhaust shop tomorrow morning to get it all welded up.

I will need to get rid of the flexpipe portion of the pacesetters...however this should not cause any problems because the 2000+ dont really have a flexpipe from the factory so it should be ok with my solid motor mount.

Other than that they were VERY easy to install, much eaiser to remove these exhaust manifolds on a 2000 vs a 1993 Bonneville.
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Other than that they were VERY easy to install, much eaiser to remove these exhaust manifolds on a 2000 vs a 1993 Bonneville.


You're kidding. It takes me 30 minutes to remove both exhaust manifolds on my 93.
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Headers are on
Other than that they were VERY easy to install, much eaiser to remove these exhaust manifolds on a 2000 vs a 1993 Bonneville.


You're kidding. It takes me 30 minutes to remove both exhaust manifolds on my 93.
easier....clearance wise to remove from the engine is what I was talking about....

If I changed out my exhaust manifolds on a twice-a-year basis like yourself I could probably do mine in 30 minutes as well.
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