The ADTR is a smooth tube with better laminar flow despite where the other end'* destination lies.

Whether the filter end is in a box or in the fender well is moot.

The discussion here is laminar flow and why a tube that seems to be just like the ADTR seems to suddenly be a bad choice. Did the ADTR have heat soak issues or not?

There were only 6 ADTR'* produced. I think only 4 of them still exist on this Forum.

I'm out-flowing mine now, which is why I moved it from the Zilla to the SLEeper.

Toasty - you may be right which is why I mentioned "noticable".
When doing the install though, I did notice unless you make some adjustments, the tube going through the fender has some play - since that is right next to the ECM tray, I'm guessing that could send all kinds of false signals, especially on bumpy roads. But I'm sure that a creative mind can find a way to reduce or eliminate the vibrations.

Do you remember what the ADTR was made out of? I would prefer it over INTENSE'* corrugated tube, and am willing to make it myself if I have to.

I just thought this JMB intake was the same material as the ADTR. No one had issues with the ADTR, why suddenly with this JMB?

Getting my infamous Rice Pipe will get you about 95% of the way to the ADTR. It takes cutting, and it'* not powdercoated, but it'* almost the exact same bend, and no car running one the right way on this forum has ever had a problem.

They do take some creativity with building and fabricating the heat shield and some cutting of the pipe however...

Ok let me start of by saying, I have no problem with Intense, I have actually personally met Scott Cook and have seen his Bonneville SSEi on the dyno during a dyno day our F-Body club was having. He was a very nice guy and was very passionate about 3800 performance. I won't get any farther into it other than saying Intense has done great things for the entire 3800 community but my personal feelings about incidents and happenings that transpired between a person I know very well have caused me to decide to take my buisness elsewhere. Not vendor bashing, not bashing Intense, I think what they do for enthusiest is great, but my loyalty lies with my friends. As far as the FWI looking cheap, I have never seen it in person, touched, smelled...whatever. The picture that I have seen on the Intense website to me looks like nothing more than a corrugated hose with a filter attached to the end. It may work great, but for asthetics it doesn't do it for me, I am more drawn to the JMB FWI but then again it does not do as well as the Intense from what I am hearing, so what are we too do if we don't care for the Intense FWI?

Not trying to turn this into an Anti-Intense thread, I dislike vendor bashing on a public forum and think it has no place and no buisness there. It should be taken care of between the person and the buisness. Not here to cause any ripples I am here to learn about my newly acquired Bonneville SSEi and share my passion of these and other vehicles with people who share the same passion about cars that I have.

i must agree with you, the Intense FWI is certainly not the best looking option, but it has proven itself to be the most affective and versatile option for all. As i said before, if your dead set against buying an intense FWI, your second best bet would be the thrasher cold-airbox, but to me, the thrasher look sto be nothing more than an overpriced gutted airbox with a 9" filter inside of it.....

I would prefer the JMB since it'* a FWI and looks to be the same kind of pipe as the ADTR.

My question has yet to be answered: Is the ADTR pipe the same material as the JMB, and if so then one thing has become apparent:

One test on one car is obviously not conclusive, as the ADTR was revered as an excellent choice, so it stands to reason that the JMB would be also.

Moreover, more testing should be done with the JMB before it'* written off by the community.

If it'* the same material as the ADTR, the JMB should have no more or no less heat soak than the ADTR.

What am I missing here?

Jim, the INTENSE tubing isn't corrugated. It has performed VERY well for dozens of cars here. It is vastly superior to any aluminum or off-the-shelf CAI design. It was specifically designed originally for the 2000 Bonneville.

IMO (backed up by lots of experience, testing, and comparison) a FWI is the #1 option, bar none for a 2k or newer Bonneville. Keep in mind that while I only recently bought the INTENSE components to create a S1 kit, I've had experience with the FWI'* in the past at meets in the heat of summer.

Go FWI.

LOL, I have heard this arguement from my buddies before. that is why I use polished aluminium tubing. mandrel bent and no kinks or "ribs" I had it made for around $100 at a local shop.