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Old 06-26-2006, 04:58 PM   #21
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I do think sending her things after she is involved with someone else is a no-no (how would you feel if it was YOUR gf getting gifts?).
Yep...I think it was more of a torture thing for a short period of time since she wanted to remain close friends...not a payback on my part...I do not hold grudges...after our breakup, lots of people felt bad and got hurt, especially her kids, Mom and Dad...they liked me a lot since I treated them well and they were always part of most of the stuff we did...we got very close and were very happy for her...even my own Mom and Sister liked her a lot.

I was raised by very conservative Grand parents, with lots of accountability and respect for others. They were married for close to 86 years!!!! I cannot recall a single moment they were apart; they also had 15 children together. When Grandma died, Grandpa died 3 months after...he refused to eat or sleep...all he did was mourn Grandma'* loss and he just shut down...he gave up on life and refused to continue living without her. Doctors tried all they could, nevertheless, I learned how strong can your mind and will be, to the extent it can control your body and life.
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I was raised by very conservative Grand parents, with lots of accountability and respect for others. They were married for close to 86 years!!!! I cannot recall a single moment they were apart; they also had 15 children together. When Grandma died, Grandpa died 3 months after...he refused to eat or sleep...all he did was mourn Grandma'* loss and he just shut down...he gave up on life and refused to continue living without her. Doctors tried all they could, nevertheless, I learned how strong can your mind and will be, to the extent it can control your body and life.
A love like that is rare these days. People marry and divorce on a whim. No one seems to try and make things work. It is really sad and it makes me feel worse for young people because the deck is stacked against them in so many ways. I always wanted to have that 50th wedding anniversary but now that won't happen because I ain't getting any younger. My marraige lasted 11 years and I don't know if there will be another one because of the type of people I'm meeting.
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most men arent romantic. lets take that as a given (even if i dont agree). why might that be? well, what factors could influence that fact? i will show that this is women'* fault, not men.

Possible explanations:
1. This is a learned behaviour from parents.
- If the "gentleman" in question has both parents, then its learned from the interactions between his parents. Half of the interaction is from his mom, and if his mom puts up with non-romantic gestures without complaining, then it is her choice to live in a non-romantic relationship and passes along the lack of expectations to her son. If the dad is unromantic as a matter of course and the mother does complain, then she chooses the remain with the father in spite of this fact. Showing the son that romance is unimportant.
- If the "gentleman" in question has no mother, then this is a very rare case indeed. The amount of unromantic men is much higher in percentage than the amount of sons being raised in a single-parent masculine household (for proof i cite the fact that women say that a romantic man is a very rare find, whereas the opposite is true for a single father raising a son), so we will eliminate this option.
- If the "gentleman" in question has no father, then the fault obviously rests with the mother, as there is no other parent figure to blame.

2. This is a learned behaviour from friends
- If the "gentleman" has predominately male friends then the "gentleman" will attribute worth to the man'* friends' opinions in this arena only if those opinions are rewarded with FEMALE attention (as that is the only attention that is important to a teenage male). If the opinions go vastly unrewarded, they will not be assimilated. It is those females who give the attention to those who bear the blame.
- If the "gentleman" has predominately female friends then the fault obviously rests with those female friends.

3. This is a learned behaviour from past "romantic" relationships.
- If the "gentleman" has had no romantic relationships in the past, then there are no woman who have taken it upon themselves to demonstrate to the "gentleman" that these behaviours are rewarded. There a many reasons one might not have had romantic relationships in the past, among these is that the "gentleman" is unattractive. (Couldn't resist that one.)
- If the "gentleman" has had romantic relationships in the past, then it is obvious that these former female companions have either not demonstrated to him that romantic gestures are important, or has not rewarded/appreciated romantic gestures. The fault lies with those women.

4. This is not a learned behaviour at all, an instead is genetic.
- There is no way even a woman can realistically blame this on a man. Blame God, who if you ask modern feminists who also happen to be Christian, is female.

No matter how you dice it, women are to blame.

Thought I'd give the men a break from this Lifetime special.
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The devil misconstrues wishes, too. Fairies may be women, but women are the devil.
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most men arent romantic. lets take that as a given (even if i dont agree). why might that be? well, what factors could influence that fact? i will show that this is women'* fault, not men.

Possible explanations:
1. This is a learned behaviour from parents.
- If the "gentleman" in question has both parents, then its learned from the interactions between his parents. Half of the interaction is from his mom, and if his mom puts up with non-romantic gestures without complaining, then it is her choice to live in a non-romantic relationship and passes along the lack of expectations to her son. If the dad is unromantic as a matter of course and the mother does complain, then she chooses the remain with the father in spite of this fact. Showing the son that romance is unimportant.
- If the "gentleman" in question has no mother, then this is a very rare case indeed. The amount of unromantic men is much higher in percentage than the amount of sons being raised in a single-parent masculine household (for proof i cite the fact that women say that a romantic man is a very rare find, whereas the opposite is true for a single father raising a son), so we will eliminate this option.
- If the "gentleman" in question has no father, then the fault obviously rests with the mother, as there is no other parent figure to blame.

2. This is a learned behaviour from friends
- If the "gentleman" has predominately male friends then the "gentleman" will attribute worth to the man'* friends' opinions in this arena only if those opinions are rewarded with FEMALE attention (as that is the only attention that is important to a teenage male). If the opinions go vastly unrewarded, they will not be assimilated. It is those females who give the attention to those who bear the blame.
- If the "gentleman" has predominately female friends then the fault obviously rests with those female friends.

3. This is a learned behaviour from past "romantic" relationships.
- If the "gentleman" has had no romantic relationships in the past, then there are no woman who have taken it upon themselves to demonstrate to the "gentleman" that these behaviours are rewarded. There a many reasons one might not have had romantic relationships in the past, among these is that the "gentleman" is unattractive. (Couldn't resist that one.)
- If the "gentleman" has had romantic relationships in the past, then it is obvious that these former female companions have either not demonstrated to him that romantic gestures are important, or has not rewarded/appreciated romantic gestures. The fault lies with those women.

4. This is not a learned behaviour at all, an instead is genetic.
- There is no way even a woman can realistically blame this on a man. Blame God, who if you ask modern feminists who also happen to be Christian, is female.

No matter how you dice it, women are to blame.

Thought I'd give the men a break from this Lifetime special.
How on Earth did I know that you would comment this way? What took you so long? You are getting predictable, my friend!
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sorry, i was at work
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Jwak... I have only one thing to say about that...


ROFLCOPTER!!
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Behaviors and the way you want to act, are a choice. My Grandpa always told me to always treat a woman the way I expect a man to treat my mother, sister and daughter...even if I get crapped at the end. Therefore...I choose to love women!!! The problem is that times have changed and mostly everyone only thinks about themselves and what they can get from the relationship.
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people are inherently self-centered and egotistical. the difference is that the modern day person doesnt bother to fake it.
you can love women and still blame them for everything thats wrong with society - much less blaming them for their sexist and unrealistic expectations.
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Glad to hear there are some romantic men around

Has anyone else developed the Kissy rules? Basically a kiss for every Goodmorning, Goodnight, Hello, and Goodbye. Sometime I pretend to forget that I gave her one just so She can get another; she really likes that. LOL

We also go everywhere hand in hand, I don't see other couples doing that very often anymore. :(
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