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Old 03-05-2008, 09:42 PM   #41
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Just a side note on this: if we were to convert 100% of every bit of grain this country produces right now to bio-desel, we would have about 20% of the oil we need.
As I said, going to bio fuels will require some major changes to the agricultural business. We simply don't have enough farmers right this moment and we keep taking farm land to pave it over for suburbia. That would have to change, but it will take time and some hardship.

Actually, I was thinking of some of the non-grain options...there'* one, the name escapes me (wiregrass?) that produces a fair amount of vegetable oil with little effort of cultivation...in other words, a grass that can be grown on marginal soil, and still produce a yield worth the effort. (I think it is currently used as a soil stabilizing grass in landscaping, embankments, etc.)

We (my employers) would love to try some Bio Diesel just to see how it performs. As an organization that burns 20,000 gallons of diesel per week, all options need to be explored. Problem is, nobody is selling it in our area...the distribution network for any of it needs growing.

I'm not suggesting burning coal as a end solution. (Hey, I'm from Pittsburgh, PA..I remember what passed for "air" in the Mon Valley at the height of steel production.)
Using it buys us time to figure something else out. Even before we can build enough other types of power plants, we can be using the coal we have a century supply of.
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Old 03-07-2008, 10:44 AM   #42
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it'* all starting to fall apart (for the global warming crowd)

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=10973

the number of scientist who are starting to rethink their earlier views on the subject are growing everyday. manmade global warming will eventually be classified as a religion pretty soon.
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However, not everyone is convinced. Dr. Stephen Garner, with the NOAA'* Geophysical Fluid Dynamics Laboratory (GFDL), says such negative feedback effects are "not very plausible". Reto Ruedy of NASA'* Goddard Institute for Space Studies says greenhouse theory is "200 year old science" and doubts the possibility of dramatic changes to the basic theory.
wow, 200 years huh. so that whole being wrong about gravity and the way the earth is the center of the universe . . . completely anomalous and couldnt possibly ever happen again. not to us, not today. (changes in basic theory huh . . . maybe its needed: http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/*...-27197,00.html)


if that article is correct, id be very curious to know what its impact is on the scientific community -- and id like to see more verification.


http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/...n3893146.shtml

http://www.nationalpost.com/opinion/...html?id=332289

http://www.dailytech.com/Temperature...ticle10866.htm

September 2006: http://ff.org/centers/csspp/library/...060920_13.html

January 2008:
http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com...ast-12-months/
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DailyTech.com isn't a credible scientific source that one would want to back an argument of this nature with.
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Scientists are a bunch of buffoons IMO. What one states as fact another dismiss' as wild speculation. What they state as fact one year gets proven completely bunk the next.
Global warming is a epidemic, global warming is bunch of hooey. Either way I don't give a good goddamn about it anymore. As usual there is(might be) a problem and instead of trying to fix or solve it, it is turned into a debate where both sides do there best to belittle and minimize the oppositions argument.
I liken political and social debate to two cages of monkeys slinging poo at each other, it'* us(the public) that always ends up with crap on our faces and are blamed for the problem in the first place and the inability to fix or solve it.
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I agree with you Seth, if a bunch of wackos want to think they are saving the planet by driving Priuses, then God bless them, go drive'em. But when they start trying to force me to drive one, or tell me how to live, then they have to be put down.

We were put on this earth as stewards. No one who cares throws trash in the ditches. When the logging company cuts down a tree, they plant 2 or 3 to take its place. Driving an suv doesn't make you a bad person either.

But they are trying to force us into 3rd world lifestyles, doing so by taking our money so they can spend it on meaningless/useless/futile programs. They want the money and power. Hypocrites.
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I agree with you Seth, if a bunch of wackos want to think they are saving the planet by driving Priuses, then God bless them, go drive'em. But when they start trying to force me to drive one, or tell me how to live, then they have to be put down.

We were put on this earth as stewards. No one who cares throws trash in the ditches. When the logging company cuts down a tree, they plant 2 or 3 to take its place. Driving an suv doesn't make you a bad person either.

But they are trying to force us into 3rd world lifestyles, doing so by taking our money so they can spend it on meaningless/useless/futile programs. They want the money and power. Hypocrites.
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But they are trying to force us into 3rd world lifestyles, doing so by taking our money so they can spend it on meaningless/useless/futile programs. They want the money and power. Hypocrites.
Sadly as the world becomes more of a global community the economies, governments, and the wealth of countries will become more intertwined. While that is good if you live in a country that is third world, i you live somewhere that is great, it means doom. Wealth can't be created from nothing. It always comes from somewhere so our wealth will decline while theirs rises. The only way to avoid that would be to cut ourselves off from the global community. Since that can't happen I would say to get ready for hard times ahead. Or find some way to make the things that the US does marketable to the rest of the world. I dont forsee many we buy too much from other countries and dont make things that they want or need. so we slowly bleed money from our economy.
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