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Old 03-04-2008, 12:50 AM   #21
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Unless somthing happens in the next 60 or so years I'm not too worried.

But the whole yellowstone supervolcano problem would really make my day here in nebraska a lot worse.
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Old 03-04-2008, 05:27 PM   #22
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THIS

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is neither a theory nor a product of "natural" climate variation

nor is THIS

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and neither is THIS
http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/

and none of it comes from Al Gore.

And go look at who funded "An Inconvenient Book"... oil companies.

But that'* o.k. It'* just the entire ecosystem we are talking about. No biggie.
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What you just posted is normal climate variation that has been going on for thousands of years.
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Not according to the ice core data. There is a direct correlation between the increase in carbon over the last 100 years and global sea surface temperature. There is no argument that this is "natural variation". There is nothing "natural" that has released this much carbon in the last 100 years.

Do you know when the "natural variations" in the climate record have occurred?

After enormous volcanic eruptions and large object strikes against the surface. So in other words when large volumes of greenhouse gases have been released. We humans are the primary source of carbon emissions (or alterations to the carbon sinks, e.g. forest clearance). The natural variation about which you speak has led to catastrophic extinction in the past.

This is settled science. You can't have as much evidence in front of you as we do and determine otherwise. You can hope it away or say it is a big conspiracy, but that just don't make it so.

And before I get this one launched at me, I'm not getting my data from Al Gore. I get it from NASA, the NSF, and the IPCC.
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Here'* the last 400 thousand years of carbon.

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and surface temperatures. This is particularly fun to think about.

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the "link" between CO2 and air temp has been scientifically disproven. and besides that, have you seen where alot of the governments temp recording stations are? on blacktop, next to a/c units, even one within 1 foot of where vehicles stop and shut off their engines.
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Can you provide a reference for your claim?

I can. Increases in carbon raise both sea surface and air temps

http://<a href="http://www.gfdl.gov/...bpage.html</a>

Most terrestrial temperature recording devices are in the oceans.
Air temp used for most studies is monitored by satellite, not surface recording device. (I'm digging up that reference now).
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The reality is, and no scientist disagrees with this, that in the last few years the warming that was going on in the late 20th century has, in fact, ceased and since 1998 there has been no warming whatsoever and that'* now nine full years. And out of those same nine years, carbon dioxide in the atmosphere has increased by 4% and the costly hypothesis that the public is browbeaten with is that extra carbon dioxide causes extra warming. Well, here'* the test. It'* happened for the last nine years that the carbon dioxide'* gone up but the planet has not warmed in response.


I'll dig up some ref data..
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That is absolutely untrue. That is a right wing talking point. There was a one month cooling that was twisted into "it was a whole decade"

Here'* the reference from Goddard
http://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/news/20080116/

Notice the graph. There is no cooling there in the last sixty years. None.
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