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Old 10-14-2003, 06:05 PM   #11
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[quote="JstpsntymTheoretically, you could borrow someone'* car (with this feature) and install a remote receiver in parallel with their tranny control. Then you could follow them around town and shift for them using your transmitter. This would be especially useful if you wanted to race them and insure victory by not letting them get out of first gear. [/quote]



hahahaha.. if I get that.. I will call my car.. Mini KITT ( from knight rider ) and I think the accelarator works on wires also instead of linkage? so does that mean you can theoratically control that too?? MWAHAHAHAHA !!!!!

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HERE-
"To participate in the GM 24-Hour Test Drive, you must :

Be 21 years old
Have a valid driverí* license issued in Canada
Have proof of vehicle insurance
Be qualified to purchase the vehicle you wish to test drive
Have read and signed a GM 24-Hour Test Drive Customer Agreement
Leave your vehicle at the Dealership/Retailership during the test period


Customer Eligibility and Vehicle Use Guidelines
I am twenty-one (21) years of age or older and I possess a valid operatorí* license issued in Canada.
I will obey all applicable laws, codes, and regulations.
I will drive in a defensive manner, anticipating situations where incidents are likely to occur.
I will plan trips by selecting the safest route, depart early enough to observe posted speed and traffic regulations,
and will be mindful of current and forecasted weather conditions.

I recognize I am responsible for all traffic or parking tickets, offences, citations or fines incurred during my use, possession, custody or control of the Vehicle.
I understand there is no smoking in the Vehicle.


Vehicle Use Conditions
I will never drive the Vehicle while impaired, including by alcohol, drugs, medication, illness, fatigue, or injury.

I will ensure the proper use of safety belts and child-safety restraints by all occupants of the Vehicle.

I will refrain, at all times, from using radar/laser detection devices.

I will not permit any other person to operate the Vehicle.
I will not take the Vehicle outside of Canada.
I will not take the Vehicle more than 150 kilometres from the Dealership/Retailership location.


I will use the Vehicle for personal use only and not for any commercial purpose, including to carry people or property for hire. I will not use the Vehicle to transport animals, explosives or radioactive or hazardous material.

I will not tow or trailer anything with the Vehicle.
I will not use the Vehicle in any illegal manner, in a race or speed test or for any illicit or prohibited trade or transportation.
I will not give up possession of the Vehicle to any other person or do any act to encumber, convert, pledge, assign, conceal, abandon or destroy the Vehicle."

---then it goes onto insurance and stuff..
I already took a 04 monte carlo(ss-supercharged) on a test drive- A+++++++
I also took an 04/03 tahoe on a test drive---Still too plasticy of an interior B+
and I took the 04 durmax (non-dually) on an over night test drive--I liked it, I mite need to trade my 03 dually in for one cuz enviroment canada is pushing for low impact.

all they want you to do for that 24hours is take it home and have it sit in your driveway.
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Old 10-14-2003, 07:55 PM   #13
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Hmm, sounds reasonable enough...good ol Canadians, only we could get away with that kinda thing
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I you guys (cough, Drifter ) aren't too clear on the manual option on the GP.

No clutch, you have steering wheel mounted buttons for upshifting and downshifting when in manual mode - it then works like Ferrari'* system, kinda, just with limits. It'll let you go to redline, but not into it, it'll shift for you. It'll also kick down for you when the gear is too high and the speed is too low. Unlike non-manumatic cars, you don't risk fudging up your tranny by manually shifting. With Series II motors, you move the shifter from 1 to 2 or whatever, you can do damage :P

It may not make your car faster, but it gives you a lot more control in sharper cornering.

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Have they reduced crank to wheel power lost ( percentage ) with the tranny? ( I"m assuming the tranny is probably internally still the same minus final gear ratio?)
I doubt it, it'* just something there for spirited driving and for extra control. You can drive daily just fine without touching it, but take a car out to an autocross course, and I think you'll want faster downshifts Plus, you still gots the torque converter, and those sap power
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it then works like Ferrari'* system, kinda, just with limits. It'll let you go to redline, but not into it, it'll shift for you. It'll also kick down for you when the gear is too high and the speed is too low. Unlike non-manumatic cars, you don't risk fudging up your tranny by manually shifting. With Series II motors, you move the shifter from 1 to 2 or whatever, you can do damage :P

It may not make your car faster, but it gives you a lot more control in sharper cornering.
ok, it'* only like Ferrari'* system in the respect that you can tell it when to upshift and downshift (when you don't go for the redline). Ferrari actually has a manual transmission under everything, the GP has the same tranny as any FWD 3800 powered MY1997 and above car. and with series II motors, you can't do damage if you move the shifter to 1 or 2, it will not shift downshift if it'* not safe, and if you leave the shifter in 1st, it will just hold 1st untill 45 MPH and go to second. if you put the shifter in second, it will hold second and let you bounce off the fuel cut off though, but that'* only cutting off fuel. and seeing as the engine was designed to turn 7,000 RPM (yes the series 2 3800 was designed to turn 7,000 RPM, the redline is 6,000 RPM because the transmission can not take 7,000 RPM shifts) i don't see 6,000 RPM'* causing much damage to the engine
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No clutch, you have steering wheel mounted buttons for upshifting and downshifting when in manua

I know there isn't a clutch.. I was talkin bout a powered assist clutch on a MANUAL transmission.. that would be sweet so I don't have to deal with a high clutch pedal on manual tranny cars trying to shift quicker in between gears

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It may not make your car faster, but it gives you a lot more control in sharper cornering.
Umm.. cause you have 2 hands on the wheel? most cars have something called power assist steering and we're not in INDY cars with no power assist steering.. and even most race cars won't shift in a turn.. they downshift prior.. and up shift near the end ( exit ) of the turn

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It may not make your car faster, but it gives you a lot more control in sharper cornering.
Umm.. cause you have 2 hands on the wheel? most cars have something called power assist steering and we're not in INDY cars with no power assist steering.. and even most race cars won't shift in a turn.. they downshift prior.. and up shift near the end ( exit ) of the turn
I'm talking more control over revs

You can't really downshift prior to a turn in an automatic manual-style, unless, of course, you work your shifter into 3-2-1 or whatever, but I wouldn't do that, there'* always that chance of mucking up your transmission, as far as I know I could be wrong though, what harm is there in manually shifting an automagic?
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Give me a simple, performance tuned manual tranny anyday. They can keep their paddle shift slushbox.
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Give me a simple, performance tuned manual tranny anyday. They can keep their paddle shift slushbox.
^ winner
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Give me a simple, performance tuned manual tranny anyday. They can keep their paddle shift slushbox.
^ winner
Awwww, man!!! Did I miss the contest?!?!?

I always miss the good stuff!! :P
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