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Old 03-17-2016, 06:39 PM   #11
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Trying to find me a Factory Service Manual for the car, because if I get it I want to have one on hand for sure.
All I can find is Haynes and Chilton'* though...
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Going to look at, and possibly buy the 3005 Champagne Grand Prix GTP tomorrow.
I am more familiar with the Series II 3800'*, I know with the NA version of the 3800 II they went with aluminum upper intakes, but on the SC version did they install aluminum framed gaskets?
If not maybe I can get the seller to knock of a little more, because I would have to change out the LIM Gasket right away if it is plastic framed..

Any other issues the 3800 III SC versions have?
I'll most likely give it a full tune up, plugs, wires, oil change, air filter..
Luckily the oil filters are the same on the 3800 III SC and the 3800 II NA, I already have an over-sized filter to out on it, and some Mobil 1 Synthetic Oil.

Hmmm, does the 2005 GTP'* have the air cabin filter?

Can anybody find me a FSM for sale for this car?
If not I guess a Chilton will have to do, I'd much rather have a FSM though...
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3 on ebay:

2005 Pontiac Grand Prix Original Workshop Shop Service Repair Manual Set 1 3 | eBay $213
2005 Pontiac Grand Prix Service Shop Repair Workshop Manual Set Factory | eBay $299
2005 Pontiac Grand Prix Service Shop Repair Manual Set Factory w Trans Unit Book | eBay $599

I would sure love to take a hit off of whatever they are smoking.

Just give it some time, maybe even save an ebay search so that they email search results to you regularly as things pop up. They should pop up at some point hopefully.
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Awesome, thanks Randall!
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William, what is your time frame and needs to buy now? Seems to me if you have time you can find a one owner clean vehicle for 2k less than the GPs you have listed.

I recently bought (in VA of all places) a 2005 Bonneville SLE with 140k miles, two owners, first owner a female in Florida, second owner a family in VA, for $2800 from a new Honda dealer. I had to replace the LIM, but everything else was very good. Perfect interior, only cosmetic exterior issues. Spotless Carfax.

Doing some searching this morning I saw a 2009 GP with 88k miles for $4500 OBO, I would pass on it simply because the car is from Illinois, and GMs don't do well with salt on the roads over time. Here is a abused GP I would pass on, but I bet 3k cash offer gets the car Pontiac Grand Prix 4DR SDN GTP | eBay .
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Here is a listing of GPs from newest to oldest that SOLD on Ebay in last 90 days. Gives a good feel of what street prices are: Pontiac Grand Prix in Cars & Trucks | eBay
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I really only have a month or two max that I can wait, because I am running out of money, and need to get a reliable car so I can go ahead and get a job.
I have looked over many cars, and quite a few Grand Prix'* over the last month, I have tried every site I can think of to find them, and so far for a decent mileage one with a Supercharger has been around the same price as what I have found.
I have seen Grand Prix Base Models for around 5k or so..

That blue one does look nice, but I really am limited to about a 75 mile radius from where I live, as my brother won't be able to go with me any further to look at one, and I need him to drive one home if I get one.

I am on my way down to look ate the one for 6,800.00 today, and due it me not being able to travel far to get one, and the fact that I only have 2 cars I can lookup on Carfax left, I am leaning towards getting it if it looks as good as it does in the pics.
If I notice any issues I'll ask for a little more off, if they don't go for it I may walk, but it really is the best I have found for the money around here.
I could get the 2006 GT with SC, but it has 144k miles on it, and I really want to get under 100k..
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William,

I have a unlimited autocheck subscription. Let me know if you need something run. Doing carfax/ autocheck prior to viewing a car is awesome.

If you need a car just to have transportation to work- pm me.
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Thanks Mike, if I find any other possible candidates to be my next car I'll get you to help me look them up.
I went to see the 2005 GTP and it was horrible, the headlights were so bad they'd need to be replaced, no buffing in the world would have made them better, not for long anyway.
It had a lot of paint chips, a few I can get, but it had more than a few.
The steering had a funny feel to it, either bad knuckle, or tie rods.
All four rotors looked like they needed replacing, even though it "passed an inspection".
You could tell the motor had leaked a lil coolant before they cleaned it, and caused that white powdery corrosion or whatever to start all over.
Looked like the coolant elbow to me, I also noticed a little oil on the LIM, which I thought in 2005 they started getting aluminum framed LIM gaskets, maybe this one missed out on getting them.
The passenger side had a scratch and dent at the very lower part of the car door, it stretched almost the entire lower part of the door.
The Key FOB did not work, the tire pressure sensor warning was on.
There were signs of water damage around the inside interior lights, looked to have came from a leaky sunroof.
Top right corner of driver side door trim was bent out my half an inch or more.
Both trunk corners were bent upwards quite a bit, I noticed when opening the trunk that they had disconnected the shock things that hold it open, and one was bent pretty badly.
There were signs that the bumper in the rear had been removed.
It had a little shimmying to it when braking..
It felt like all four struts were bad, upper strut mounts on the front were rusted, it handled bumps like ****.
Only thing it had going for it was the get up, when you hit the gas it would move, loved the Supercharger.
The guy came down from 7,000.00 to 6,500.00 but I had to walk away, it needed more done to it then my 96' Park Ave...
I'd have went maybe 4.500.00 tops, it was not worth much more than that.

So now I am back to considering the 2006 Black GT with SC for 5k, or trying to get a body shop to inspect the Chrysler 200 I like, if it'* unibody is good I'd give them 8k for it, it has 63k miles, and is a 2012..

I can probably get a little more time out of my PA, if I out a little time into it, I have to fix the leaks if I keep using it though..
I can hold out another month or so, but if I don't find something soon I'll have to put a little more into my PA..
Even my brother said my PA drove way better than that Grand Prix, he said it rode as well as his 2014 SUV..
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Here is what 2005 GRAND PRIX'* Selling for at auctions across the country
first are base then GT Then GTP
Maybe I should just try to get you one here



02/18/16 NYMETSKY Regular $1,300 121,057 Avg BLACK 6G A Yes
02/18/16 FRDKBURG Lease $800 198,310 Below BLACK 6G A Yes
02/18/16 DETROIT Regular $1,700 170,916 Avg BLACK 6G A Yes
02/18/16 CHICAGO Regular $5,850 59,097 Above GRAY 6G A No
02/18/16 CHICAGO Regular $3,100 136,071 Above WHITE 6G Yes
02/19/16 NEVADA Lease $3,300 126,417 Above GRAY 6G A Yes
02/19/16 DFW Regular $2,600 160,045 Avg MAROON 6G Yes
02/23/16 ST LOUIS Regular $4,100 135,741 Above BLACK 6G A No
02/23/16 ST LOUIS Regular $3,900 117,605 Above BLUE 6G A Yes
02/23/16 PENSCOLA Regular $900 157,893 Below SILVER 6G A Yes
02/23/16 PENSCOLA Regular $700 0 Below BLACK 6G A No
02/23/16 HOUSTON Lease $2,900 128,044 Avg GOLD 6G A Yes
02/23/16 DALLAS Lease $1,600 224,771 Avg WHITE 6G A Yes
02/23/16 BALTWASH Regular $1,200 155,265 Avg BLACK 6G A Yes
02/24/16 NEWORLNS Lease $700 248,349 Below WHITE 6G A Yes
02/24/16 NEW MEX Lease $1,200 171,767 Avg MAROON 6G A Yes
02/25/16 DETROIT Lease $1,400 157,258 Avg SILVER 6G A Yes
02/25/16 DARLNTON Lease $600 131,357 Below SILVER 6G A No
02/25/16 CENT CAL Lease $800 242,822 Below WHITE 6G A Yes
02/25/16 ALBANY Regular $1,800 125,741 Avg GRN 6G A Yes
03/01/16 STATESVL Lease $1,300 150,201 Avg GOLD 6G A Yes
03/01/16 OHIO Lease $1,500 166,728 Avg SILVER 6G A Yes
03/01/16 NYMETSKY Regular $1,600 99,097 Avg SILV 6G A Yes
03/01/16 DALLAS Regular $2,200 144,773 Avg GREY 6G A Yes
03/01/16 DALLAS Lease $2,000 131,881 Avg WHITE 6G A Yes
03/01/16 ATLANTA Lease $2,000 171,179 Avg BLUE 6G A Yes
03/02/16 SAN ANTO Lease $1,750 96,621 Avg WHITE 6G A Yes
03/02/16 NJ Regular $2,400 139,405 Avg WHITE 6G Yes
03/02/16 NJ Regular $1,900 159,968 Avg BLUE 6G A Yes
03/02/16 NJ Regular $1,800 152,314 Avg SILVER 6G A Yes
03/02/16 LAKELAND Regular $3,300 139,909 Above WHITE 6G A Yes
03/02/16 HRSNBURG Regular $1,050 156,426 Below RED 6G C Yes
03/02/16 CALIFORN Regular $1,600 173,004 Avg SILVER 6G A Yes
03/02/16 CALIFORN Lease $1,450 139,760 Avg SILVER 6G A Yes
03/03/16 STATESVL Regular $700 199,498 Below ORANGE 6G A Yes
03/03/16 OMAHA Regular $3,800 134,417 Above SILVER 6G A Yes
03/03/16 NORTHSTR Regular $2,700 135,411 Avg SILVER 6G A Yes
03/03/16 MISS Regular $1,800 167,621 Avg SILVER 6G A Yes
03/03/16 DFW Regular $2,500 116,738 Avg BLUE 6G A Yes
03/03/16 DFW Regular $2,300 122,454 Avg BLACK 6G A Yes
03/03/16 DETROIT Regular $2,100 152,460 Avg BLACK 6G A Yes
03/03/16 CHICAGO Regular $3,800 113,794 Above RED 6G Yes
03/04/16 FT LAUD Lease $1,000 136,878 Below SILVER 6G A Yes
03/08/16 DALLAS Lease $2,700 99,929 Avg RED 6G A Yes
03/08/16 ARENA IL Regular $2,200 115,728 Avg BLACK 6G A Yes
03/09/16 MILWAUKE Regular $3,200 120,082 Above TEAL 6G A Yes
03/09/16 DALLAS Regular $3,800 117,618 Above WHITE 6G A Yes
03/10/16 TX HOBBY Lease $2,200 128,050 Avg TAN 6G A Yes
03/10/16 SO CAL Lease $900 145,545 Below GRAY 6G A Yes
03/10/16 NEVADA Regular $4,200 86,822 Above SILVER 6G A Yes
03/10/16 DETROIT Lease $1,300 140,874 Avg BLU/GREE 6G A Yes
03/10/16 CINCINNA Regular $2,300 150,460 Avg GRAY 6G A Yes
03/11/16 FT LAUD Regular $1,000 188,248 Below BEIGE 6G A Yes
03/14/16 NC Regular $700 165,672 Below SILVER 6G A Yes
03/15/16 NYMETSKY Regular $900 123,529 Below SILVER 6G A Yes
03/15/16 ATLANTA Regular $2,700 132,916 Avg GOLD A Yes
03/15/16 ATLANTA Regular $800 148,629 Below GOLD 6G A Yes
03/16/16 NEWORLNS Regular $2,300 173,556 Avg WHITE 6G A Yes
03/16/16 CEN FLA Regular $400 199,395 Below SILVER 6G A Yes
03/17/16 NORTHSTR Regular $2,800 150,360 Avg SILVER 6G A Yes
03/17/16 DETROIT Lease $2,050 119,624 Avg BLACK 6G A Yes
03/17/16 ALBANY Regular $1,500 144,987 Avg SILVER 6G A Yes
03/17/16 ALBANY Regular $1,450 196,510 Avg SILVER 6G A Yes


GT PRICES



02/18/16 DETROIT Regular $1,500 186,036 Avg BLACK 6G A Yes
02/18/16 CINCINNA Lease $2,300 116,802 Avg BLACK 6G A Yes
02/18/16 CHICAGO Regular $1,500 141,372 Avg GRAY 6G A Yes
02/22/16 FRDKBURG Regular $1,200 136,288 Avg BLACK 6G Yes
02/22/16 DIGITAL Regular $1,895 162,062 Avg NONE NON N Yes
02/23/16 BALTWASH Regular $1,900 83,665 Avg GRAY 6G A Yes
02/23/16 BALTWASH Lease $1,500 127,609 Avg SILVER 6G A Yes
03/01/16 BALTWASH Regular $3,450 104,999 Above BLUE 6G A Yes
03/01/16 ARENA IL Regular $1,200 1 Avg RED 6G A No
03/03/16 FRDKBURG Regular $5,200 105,026 Above GREEN 6G No
03/07/16 NC Regular $2,100 137,751 Avg GREY 6G A Yes
03/08/16 PENSCOLA Lease $1,950 138,096 Avg SILVER 6G A Yes
03/08/16 ATLANTA Regular $2,000 137,032 Avg TEAL 6G A Yes
03/09/16 UTAH Lease $2,400 112,737 Avg SILVER 6G A Yes
03/09/16 ST LOUIS Lease $1,300 175,205 Avg SILVER 6G A Yes
03/10/16 DARLNTON Regular $1,500 176,695 Avg BLACK 6G A Yes
03/15/16 ATLANTA Regular $1,000 262,344 Below RED 6G A Yes
03/16/16 SAN ANTO Regular $2,700 98,578 Above SILVER 6G A Yes
03/16/16 PITTSBGH Regular $1,900 144,603 Avg RED 6G A Yes
03/16/16 NJ Regular $1,500 211,121 Avg BLUE 6G A Yes
03/16/16 CEN FLA Regular $3,900 116,011 Above SILVER 6G A Yes
03/17/16 OMAHA Regular $2,400 176,118 Avg MAROON 6G A Yes

GTP PRICES



02/18/16 DFW Regular $2,200 133,267 Avg RED 6GT A Yes
02/18/16 ATLANTA Regular $3,600 118,315 Above GREY 6GT A Yes
02/24/16 HRSNBURG Regular $4,200 145,068 Above GREY 6GT A Yes
03/02/16 TUCSON Regular $1,000 88,949 Below RED 6GT A Yes
03/03/16 DETROIT Lease $1,700 161,520 Avg ORANGE 6GT A Yes
03/04/16 NEVADA Lease $2,100 149,986 Avg SILVER 6GT A Yes
03/09/16 NASHVILL Lease $2,000 111,636 Avg WHITE 6GT A Yes
03/15/16 ST LOUIS Regular $5,500 102,713 Above WHITE 6GT A No
03/15/16 ARENA IL Regular $750 285,772 Below BLACK 6G A Yes
03/17/16 DFW Regular $3,800 133,329 Above RED 6GT A Yes
03/17/16 DETROIT Lease $2,900 135,618 Avg SILVER 6GT A Yes
03/17/16 DETROIT Regular $2,450 152,779 Avg BLACK 6GT A Yes
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