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Old 08-20-2007, 03:34 PM   #61
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It is our duty as a people to be a watch dog for our own government, lest you become a subject rather than a citizen. We grant our government the power, and I think it'* a shame that people don't realize this. We agree, for our own safety and well-being, that we need to be governed. If you aren't willing to second guess the government, then you are have failed your nation. The government does not make the nation or a country, it just governs it.
all this is true, but its also the role of a responsible citizen not to jump at shadows. that path leads to paranoia, fear, anger, and the dark side.

theres questioning the government and then theres beating a dead horse repeatedly, for no reason other than to be beating the dead horse.
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The government and media create most of the fear in our society (IMO).
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The government and media create most of the fear in our society (IMO).
You sure it'* not the way we allow ourselves to be herded like sheep?
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The government and media create most of the fear in our society (IMO).
You sure it'* not the way we allow ourselves to be herded like sheep?
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Exactly, we allow ourselves to be herded like sheep when we believe everything the government and media tells us....which is why we should question 9/11.
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Exactly, we allow ourselves to be herded like sheep when we believe everything the government and media tells us....which is why we should question 9/11.
Or you can just turn this right back around at all the videos and people that think there is something more to it.
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I don't get what you mean...
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I know I may be coming off a bit rabid, but I do have good reason. You have to be able to know when you're going down a dead-end road, and the evidence that the government report produced hangs together with few exceptions. On the other hand, 90% of what the "Loose change" people produce is unproveable. It simply has no basis in hard evidence. In fact, some of the "evidence they show in the video actually DISPROVES their theories, when examined with a knowledgable eye. And while I don't claim to be an expert, I have enough layman'* education to see that they've skewed their arguments badly, with the sole intention of supporting a conclusion they made BEFORE they started their so-called investigation.

And it'* not that I don't question certain events on the day of. For instance, I believe there is a very real possibiltiy that Flight 93 was shot down rather than crashing on its own. But this particular video is ridiculous. Everything that they base their arguments on is flawed. The beams they say were cut, which would have had to have been cleared away afterwards BY CUTTING THEM. The "explosion" before the actual plane hit, that only one man remembers. Why only him? The idea that Silverstein authorized demolition. They state that he uses a word that is used as slang by professionals in the business. Why would one assume that he was familiar with that particular slang word, which by the way, I've never hard used on any of the many, many shows I've watched about demolition work? Could he not have meant that he ordered the pull-out of the fire-fighting crews? Is it impossible?
And as I said, even at a minumum, the demolition of Building 7 would have required either months of work, or an unusually large amount of explosives. And enough explosives to bring down a building like that, in that manner, would have been EXTREMELY loud. Enough that the sound of the explosions would have been clearly audible across most of downtown Manhattan. Even in a safe, well-executed demolition, the explosives produce very loud and easily recognizable blasts. So forget how it looked, the AUDIO evidence is more than enough to rulle out explosive demolitions.

I realize that I can't change your opinion of our government. I don't want to. Bush and his cronies are scum. But you need to look at the video with the knowledge that it was produced FOR SALE.
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Brian makes very good points about the demolition. It would take a minimum of TWO WEEKS with a VERY LARGE crew to prepare demolition. And you can't hide the noise.
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I don't get what you mean...
He means that not only can you not allow yourself to be herded by the government and media, you also can't allow yourself to blindly follow those who question them. You have to decide for yourself. Seems everyone here already has, so I'm going to bow out and let you get on with your lives.

I will ask that this particular subject be locked, though. I've probably pissed off a few people here, and I know that I'm more worked up than I need to be. I'd rather not lose friends. Frankly, I think it should have been locked earlier.
And I think we've covered all the bases that we need to. I think anyone reading this can find their way to their own opinions, or at least get an idea what to look for while forming them.
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