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Old 08-29-2005, 10:00 PM   #31
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its WIDER than a Ford Explorer
Heh, you watch Spike TV, don't you.

It looks kinda cool, for a day or two. I've seen a few. The impression wears off real fast, just like the new Mustang.
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its WIDER than a Ford Explorer
Heh, you watch Spike TV, don't you.

It looks kinda cool, for a day or two. I've seen a few. The impression wears off real fast, just like the new Mustang.
yes, Powerblock.....

and i really dont like the look......
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Old 08-29-2005, 11:20 PM   #33
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lol, I never miss Powerblock, good shows...

I'm not a fan of the new Eclipse....needs to go on a diet.
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Guys, I'm all for the pro-Bonneville banter, but it sounds like we're having a hard time admitting that this new Eclipse is pretty hot stuff. The N/A technology they're using is quite superior to a pushrod L36 in horsepower and torque output, and it would probably be more than a match for an SSEi. The sad fact of the matter is that our GM 3800s aren't kings of the road anymore; in fact, they're becoming more and more outmoded every day. True, you can get a used SSEi and put a little money into it to get more bang-for-your-buck than a brand new Eclipse, but stock for stock they've got us whipped.

Let'* not blow too much smoke, eh?
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i agree but its not a pushrod either.......there is alot newer technology going into engines......the 3800 made the 10 best list......beat that
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Guys, I'm all for the pro-Bonneville banter, but it sounds like we're having a hard time admitting that this new Eclipse is pretty hot stuff. The N/A technology they're using is quite superior to a pushrod L36 in horsepower and torque output, and it would probably be more than a match for an SSEi. The sad fact of the matter is that our GM 3800s aren't kings of the road anymore; in fact, they're becoming more and more outmoded every day. True, you can get a used SSEi and put a little money into it to get more bang-for-your-buck than a brand new Eclipse, but stock for stock they've got us whipped.

Let'* not blow too much smoke, eh?
I never argued that the powerplant wasn't putting out some good numbers with some amazing technology. Simply that the Eclipse is somewhat heavy at around 3600 lbs for a car that is supposed to be a sports car...even the G6 GTP is lighter with similar power numbers.

MIVEC is a very impressive setup, although has some limitations as were discussed earlier in this thread, namely the midrange-power cam lobe being detrimental to fuel economy.
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Guys, I'm all for the pro-Bonneville banter, but it sounds like we're having a hard time admitting that this new Eclipse is pretty hot stuff. The N/A technology they're using is quite superior to a pushrod L36 in horsepower and torque output, and it would probably be more than a match for an SSEi. The sad fact of the matter is that our GM 3800s aren't kings of the road anymore; in fact, they're becoming more and more outmoded every day. True, you can get a used SSEi and put a little money into it to get more bang-for-your-buck than a brand new Eclipse, but stock for stock they've got us whipped.

Let'* not blow too much smoke, eh?
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its WIDER than a Ford Explorer
Heh, you watch Spike TV, don't you.

It looks kinda cool, for a day or two. I've seen a few. The impression wears off real fast, just like the new Mustang.
Hmm... I'm *still* impressed with the new Mustang...but that'* another topic :P
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Guys, I'm all for the pro-Bonneville banter, but it sounds like we're having a hard time admitting that this new Eclipse is pretty hot stuff. The N/A technology they're using is quite superior to a pushrod L36 in horsepower and torque output, and it would probably be more than a match for an SSEi. The sad fact of the matter is that our GM 3800s aren't kings of the road anymore; in fact, they're becoming more and more outmoded every day. True, you can get a used SSEi and put a little money into it to get more bang-for-your-buck than a brand new Eclipse, but stock for stock they've got us whipped.

Let'* not blow too much smoke, eh?
I have to say this, though. In reality, if the L36 designers threw efficiency to the wind, they could have easily matched the hp/tq output of that mitsu engine with the same gas mileage.

I'm not one-sided, as I'm about the only one here that likes Fords (which uses Mitsubishi engines )
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I have to say this, though. In reality, if the L36 designers threw efficiency to the wind, they could have easily matched the hp/tq output of that mitsu engine with the same gas mileage.

I'm not one-sided, as I'm about the only one here that likes Fords (which uses Mitsubishi engines )
Since when does Ford use Mitsu engines? (sorry if I sound incredulous, just never heard of this.)
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