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Old 07-10-2007, 02:14 PM   #21
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Thanks Geoff. Do you know how much the dealer is asking?
Not off the top of my head. I know around what he got on trade in, which is under his asking price, and he at the moment still has the 2nd set of rims. I will see if i can talk to him tonight and get the information on the dealer for you.
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If you have two cars, I would try and sell the Chrysler outright first. You'll get more money than if you trade it in.
I've been trying to sell the Sebring for over a year. I sent it to a dealer last Spring, and am currently suing him. Long story, but it'* been a long thread in Lounge since January. Trading in the Sebring is my best bet. And selling the 94 will be easier than selling the Sebring.

If this 02 looks good (Toasty is checking it out for me) the 94 will most likely be put up in FOR SALE, so if you're interested LMK.
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If you have two cars, I would try and sell the Chrysler outright first. You'll get more money than if you trade it in.
I've been trying to sell the Sebring for over a year. I sent it to a dealer last Spring, and am currently suing him. Long story, but it'* been a long thread in Lounge since January. Trading in the Sebring is my best bet. And selling the 94 will be easier than selling the Sebring.
I'm going to have to disagree with you pete. (well most likely) What are the details on the sebring miles/year and what is your asking price right now?
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Well you CAN'T disagree with me that it'* been a royal PITA trying to sell this Sebring. I don't disagree that it would be better financially if I did sell it, I'm just saying that I'm looking at a great car right now, and I have a SMALL chance of selling this while it is still in stock. My quickest and easiest way of getting rid of this car is by trading it. If I have to take a hit I will, it'll only be $1000 or so.

I've advertised it on Bargain News here in CT, did craigslist several times (currently on there as well), tried eBay TWICE, had a for sale sign in my window while driving it all around CT. I've had several people look at it but say they can only do payments (I'm not taking payments on a $9000 car).

This car is in near mint condition, 44,800 miles, 2004, full 10-years left/100,000 mile warranty. I'd take $8500 for it. Find me a buyer, I challenge you.

If someone were to buy my 94 it would make up for what I lost on the trade-in.
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Check it out Bonnie94 The white 2003 SSEI
has been in an accident the silver one hasn't
Give me some more VINs before you buy.

Report Generated for vincent czyzewski
For Personal Use Only


2003 PONTIAC BONNEVILLE SSEI
1G2HZ541834130697
SEDAN 4 DR
3.8L V6 FI OHV / FRONT WHEEL DRIVE
Standard Equipment | Safety Options
CARFAX Safety & Reliability Report
Hi-I'm the CARFAX Xpert™. I'm here to help you better understand the data in this CARFAX Report. Did you know...
We checked over 4 billion records from thousands of data sources for this vehicle
This vehicle qualifies for the CARFAX Buyback Guarantee
The last reported odometer reading was 47,503







A CARFAX Vehicle History Report is based only on information supplied to CARFAX. Other information about this vehicle, including problems, may not have been reported to CARFAX. Use this report as one important tool, along with a vehicle inspection and test drive, to make a better decision about your next used car.

The number of owners is estimated by CARFAX
Year purchased 2002 2004
Type of owner Corporate fleet lease Personal
Estimated length of ownership 1 yr. 4 mo. 3 yrs. 1 mo.
Owned in the following states/provinces Michigan New York
Estimated miles driven per year --- 12,775/yr
Last reported odometer reading 15,720 47,503




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No Problem Guaranteed
No Problem
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No Problem Guaranteed
No Problem
Not Actual Mileage | Exceeds Mechanical Limits Guaranteed
No Problem Guaranteed
No Problem
GUARANTEED - None of these major title problems were reported by a state Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV). If you find that any of these title problems were reported by a DMV and not included in this report, CARFAX will buy this vehicle back.
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Not all accidents or other issues are reported to CARFAX
Total Loss Check

No total loss reported to CARFAX. No Issues Reported
No Issues Reported

Frame Damage Check

No frame damage reported to CARFAX. No Issues Reported
No Issues Reported

Airbag Deployment Check

No airbag deployment reported to CARFAX. No Issues Reported
No Issues Reported

Odometer Rollback Check

No indication of an odometer rollback. No Issues Indicated
No Issues Indicated

Accident Check

Accident reported on 07/25/2006. No Issues Reported
Accident Indicator

Manufacturer Recall Check

Check with an authorized Pontiac dealer for any open recalls. No Recalls Reported
No Recalls Reported


Basic Warranty Check

Original warranty estimated to have expired. View Info
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Warranty Active
Warranty Expired



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A CARFAX Vehicle History Report is based only on information supplied to CARFAX. CARFAX checked over 4 billion vehicle history events and found 21 record(*) for this 2003 PONTIAC BONNEVILLE SSEI (1G2HZ541834130697).




Purchased: 2002
Type: Corporate fleet lease
Where: Michigan
Est. miles/year: ---
Est. length owned: 9/15/02 - 1/17/04
(1 yr. 4 mo.)



Date: Mileage: Source: Comments:
09/15/2002 Michigan
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Ypsilanti, MI Registered as
corporate fleet vehicle
10/08/2002 Michigan
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Ypsilanti, MI
Title #807N2810006 Title or registration issued
First owner reported
12/29/2003 15,689 Fuccillo Pontiac Buick Jeep
Amsterdam, NY
518-842-4220
www.fuccilloautoplaza.com Vehicle serviced
Oil and filter changed chassis lubricated
01/17/2004 15,692 Dealer Inventory
Amsterdam, NY Vehicle offered for sale
04/30/2004 15,720 Fuccillo Pontiac Buick Jeep
Amsterdam, NY
518-842-4220
www.fuccilloautoplaza.com Vehicle serviced
Vehicle sold





Purchased: 2004
Type: Personal
Where: New York
Est. miles/year: 12,775/yr
Est. length owned: 4/30/04 - 6/8/07
(3 yrs. 1 mo.)




Good News - Low mileage! This owner drove an estimated 12,775 miles per year, lower than industry average of 15,000 miles. These vehicles can be a better value.
Date: Mileage: Source: Comments:
04/30/2004 New York
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Amsterdam, NY Title issued or updated
New owner reported
Loan or lien reported
07/28/2004 18,731 Fuccillo Pontiac Buick Jeep
Amsterdam, NY
518-842-4220
www.fuccilloautoplaza.com Vehicle serviced
Oil and filter changed chassis lubricated
08/11/2004 New York
Motor Vehicle Dept. Title issued or updated
10/12/2004 New York
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Amsterdam, NY Registration issued or renewed
Registered as
personal vehicle
Passed safety inspection
10/22/2004 21,738 Fuccillo Pontiac Buick Jeep
Amsterdam, NY
518-842-4220
www.fuccilloautoplaza.com Vehicle serviced
Oil and filter changed chassis lubricated
02/21/2005 25,111 Fuccillo Pontiac Buick Jeep
Amsterdam, NY
518-842-4220
www.fuccilloautoplaza.com Vehicle serviced
Oil and filter changed chassis lubricated
05/19/2005 27,763 Fuccillo Pontiac Buick Jeep
Amsterdam, NY
518-842-4220
www.fuccilloautoplaza.com Vehicle serviced
07/23/2005 31,218 Fuccillo Pontiac Buick Jeep
Amsterdam, NY
518-842-4220
www.fuccilloautoplaza.com Vehicle serviced
Oil and filter changed chassis lubricated
10/14/2005 34,280 Fuccillo Pontiac Buick Jeep
Amsterdam, NY
518-842-4220
www.fuccilloautoplaza.com Vehicle serviced
Oil and filter changed chassis lubricated
01/16/2006 38,329 Fuccillo Pontiac Buick Jeep
Amsterdam, NY
518-842-4220
www.fuccilloautoplaza.com Vehicle serviced
Oil and filter changed chassis lubricated
05/27/2006 42,939 Fuccillo Pontiac Buick Jeep
Amsterdam, NY
518-842-4220
www.fuccilloautoplaza.com Vehicle serviced
05/27/2006 42,940 New York
Inspection Station Passed safety inspection
Passed emissions inspection
View what was inspected

07/25/2006 New York
Police Report
Case #31899190 Accident Reported
Vehicle involved in crash
in Saratoga County
with another motor vehicle
10/05/2006 New York
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Amsterdam, NY Registration issued or renewed
Registered as
personal vehicle
Passed safety inspection
10/26/2006 47,503 Fuccillo Pontiac Buick Jeep
Amsterdam, NY
518-842-4220
www.fuccilloautoplaza.com Vehicle serviced
Oil and filter changed chassis lubricated
06/08/2007 Dealer Inventory Vehicle offered for sale

Report Generated for vincent czyzewski
For Personal Use Only


2003 PONTIAC BONNEVILLE SSEI
1G2HZ541634144274
SEDAN 4 DR
3.8L V6 FI OHV / FRONT WHEEL DRIVE
Standard Equipment | Safety Options
CARFAX Safety & Reliability Report
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We checked over 4 billion records from thousands of data sources for this vehicle
This vehicle qualifies for the CARFAX Buyback Guarantee
The last reported odometer reading was 41,634







A CARFAX Vehicle History Report is based only on information supplied to CARFAX. Other information about this vehicle, including problems, may not have been reported to CARFAX. Use this report as one important tool, along with a vehicle inspection and test drive, to make a better decision about your next used car.

The number of owners is estimated by CARFAX
Year purchased 2003 2006
Type of owner Personal ---
Estimated length of ownership 3 yrs. 5 mo. 6 months
Owned in the following states/provinces New Jersey New Jersey
Estimated miles driven per year 13,505/yr ---
Last reported odometer reading 41,634




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No Problem Guaranteed
No Problem
Fire/Flood | Hail Damage | Buyback/Lemon
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No Problem Guaranteed
No Problem
Not Actual Mileage | Exceeds Mechanical Limits Guaranteed
No Problem Guaranteed
No Problem
GUARANTEED - None of these major title problems were reported by a state Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV). If you find that any of these title problems were reported by a DMV and not included in this report, CARFAX will buy this vehicle back.
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Total Loss Check

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No Issues Reported

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No frame damage reported to CARFAX. No Issues Reported
No Issues Reported

Airbag Deployment Check

No airbag deployment reported to CARFAX. No Issues Reported
No Issues Reported

Odometer Rollback Check

No indication of an odometer rollback. No Issues Indicated
No Issues Indicated

Accident Check

No accidents reported to CARFAX. No Issues Reported
No Issues Reported

Manufacturer Recall Check

Check with an authorized Pontiac dealer for any open recalls. No Recalls Reported
No Recalls Reported


Basic Warranty Check

Original warranty estimated to have expired. View Info
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Warranty Expired
Warranty Expired



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A CARFAX Vehicle History Report is based only on information supplied to CARFAX. CARFAX checked over 4 billion vehicle history events and found 8 record(*) for this 2003 PONTIAC BONNEVILLE SSEI (1G2HZ541634144274).




Purchased: 2003
Type: Personal
Where: New Jersey
Est. miles/year: 13,505/yr
Est. length owned: 6/15/03 - 11/17/06
(3 yrs. 5 mo.)




Good News - Low mileage! This owner drove an estimated 13,505 miles per year, lower than industry average of 15,000 miles. These vehicles can be a better value.
Date: Mileage: Source: Comments:
06/15/2003 New Jersey
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Kearny, NJ Registered as
personal vehicle
06/24/2003 10 New Jersey
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Kearny, NJ
Title #GD20031750106 Title issued or updated
First owner reported
11/19/2003 4,886 Service Facility Vehicle serviced
12/15/2004 18,418 Service Facility
201-991-4222
Vehicle serviced
Oil and filter changed chassis lubricated
Maintenance inspection completed
Tire condition and pressure checked
Drivability/performance checked
Tires balanced
Manufacturer'* recommended maintenance performed
01/04/2005 18,999 Service Facility Vehicle serviced
06/22/2006 41,634 Service Facility
201-991-4222
Vehicle serviced
Maintenance inspection completed
Front brake rotors resurfaced/turned
Rear brake rotors resurfaced/turned
Fuel filter replaced
Air filter checked
Oil and filter changed chassis lubricated
Manufacturer'* recommended maintenance performed
11/17/2006 Dealer Inventory Vehicle offered for sale





Purchased: 2006
Where: New Jersey
Est. miles/year: ---
Est. length owned: 12/13/06 - present
(6 months)



Date: Mileage: Source: Comments:
12/13/2006 New Jersey
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Riverton, NJ
Title #ME20063470133 Title issued or updated
New owner reported
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That white one is looking worse and worse. I already e-mailed them back saying I was not interested.

Vince, please check this:

1G2HZ541924235358

THANKS!
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Old 07-10-2007, 08:12 PM   #27
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Here'* the carfax on the 2002 I am most interested in. What are people'* opinions?

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Report Generated for vincent czyzewski
For Personal Use Only


2002 PONTIAC BONNEVILLE SSEI
1G2HZ541924235358
SEDAN 4 DR
3.8L V6 FI OHV / FRONT WHEEL DRIVE
Standard Equipment | Safety Options
CARFAX Safety & Reliability Report
Hi-I'm the CARFAX Xpert™. I'm here to help you better understand the data in this CARFAX Report. Did you know...
We checked over 4 billion records from thousands of data sources for this vehicle
This vehicle qualifies for the CARFAX Buyback Guarantee
The last reported odometer reading was 25,364







A CARFAX Vehicle History Report is based only on information supplied to CARFAX. Other information about this vehicle, including problems, may not have been reported to CARFAX. Use this report as one important tool, along with a vehicle inspection and test drive, to make a better decision about your next used car.

The number of owners is estimated by CARFAX
Year purchased 2002 2004
Type of owner Personal ---
Estimated length of ownership 2 yrs. 1 mo. 2 yrs. 8 mo.
Owned in the following states/provinces Pennsylvania Massachusetts
Estimated miles driven per year 7,300/yr ---
Last reported odometer reading 16,340 25,364




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No Problem Guaranteed
No Problem
Fire/Flood | Hail Damage | Buyback/Lemon
Guaranteed
No Problem Guaranteed
No Problem
Not Actual Mileage | Exceeds Mechanical Limits Guaranteed
No Problem Guaranteed
No Problem
GUARANTEED - None of these major title problems were reported by a state Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV). If you find that any of these title problems were reported by a DMV and not included in this report, CARFAX will buy this vehicle back.
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Total Loss Check

No total loss reported to CARFAX. No Issues Reported
No Issues Reported

Frame Damage Check

No frame damage reported to CARFAX. No Issues Reported
No Issues Reported

Airbag Deployment Check

No airbag deployment reported to CARFAX. No Issues Reported
No Issues Reported

Odometer Rollback Check

No indication of an odometer rollback. No Issues Indicated
No Issues Indicated

Accident Check

No accidents reported to CARFAX. No Issues Reported
No Issues Reported

Manufacturer Recall Check

Check with an authorized Pontiac dealer for any open recalls. No Recalls Reported
No Recalls Reported


Basic Warranty Check

Original warranty estimated to have expired. View Info
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Warranty Active
Warranty Expired



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Purchased: 2002
Type: Personal
Where: Pennsylvania
Est. miles/year: 7,300/yr
Est. length owned: 5/15/02 - 6/25/04
(2 yrs. 1 mo.)




Good News - Low mileage! This owner drove an estimated 7,300 miles per year, lower than industry average of 15,000 miles. These vehicles can be a better value.
Date: Mileage: Source: Comments:
05/15/2002 Pennsylvania
Motor Vehicle Dept.
West Chester, PA Registered as
personal vehicle
06/05/2002 100 Pennsylvania
Motor Vehicle Dept.
West Chester, PA Title issued or updated
First owner reported
05/20/2003 Pennsylvania
Motor Vehicle Dept.
West Chester, PA Registration updated when owner moved
the vehicle to a new location
07/22/2003 10,008 Service Facility Vehicle serviced
09/09/2003 11,066 Service Facility Vehicle serviced
10/27/2003 12,152 Service Facility Vehicle serviced
03/18/2004 14,592 Service Facility Vehicle serviced
04/23/2004 14,952 Service Facility Vehicle serviced
Suspension system serviced
06/25/2004 16,306 Dealer Inventory
West Chester, PA Vehicle offered for sale
07/13/2004 16,338 Auto Auction Sold at auction
in Pennsylvania
Listed as
a dealer vehicle
07/29/2004 16,340 Dealer Inventory
Whitman, MA Vehicle offered for sale
07/30/2004 Dealer Inventory Vehicle offered for sale





Purchased: 2004
Where: Massachusetts
Est. miles/year: ---
Est. length owned: 10/15/04 - present
(2 yrs. 8 mo.)



Date: Mileage: Source: Comments:
10/15/2004 16,382 Massachusetts
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Hopedale, MA Vehicle purchase reported
Odometer reading reported for title
or registration
10/18/2004 16,503 Massachusetts
Inspection Station
Upton, MA Failed safety or emissions inspection
View what was inspected

10/22/2004 17,208 Massachusetts
Inspection Station
Upton, MA Passed safety or emissions inspection
View what was inspected

10/29/2004 Massachusetts
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Hopedale, MA
Title #BB056527 Title or registration issued
New owner reported
03/22/2005 25,364 Vendetti Motors
Franklin, MA 02038-1899
508-528-3450
www.vendettimotors.com Vehicle serviced
06/01/2005 Massachusetts
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Hopedale, MA Registration issued or renewed
Vehicle color noted as Gray
10/07/2005 Massachusetts
Inspection Station
Upton, MA Passed safety inspection
View what was inspected

10/06/2006 Massachusetts
Inspection Station
Milford, MA Passed safety inspection
Passed emissions inspection
View what was inspected

06/01/2007 Massachusetts
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Hopedale, MA Registration issued or renewed
Vehicle color noted as Gray


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10/18/2004 16,503 Massachusetts
Inspection Station
Upton, MA Failed safety or emissions inspection
View what was inspected

10/22/2004 17,208 Massachusetts
Inspection Station
Upton, MA Passed safety or emissions inspection
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That would worry me a bit as you pointed out. 4 days later it was resolved.
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Well I see it failed emission/safety once. Could be simple O2 sensor?

But I saw this:
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07/22/2003 10,008 Service Facility Vehicle serviced
09/09/2003 11,066 Service Facility Vehicle serviced
10/27/2003 12,152 Service Facility Vehicle serviced
03/18/2004 14,592 Service Facility Vehicle serviced
04/23/2004 14,952 Service Facility Vehicle serviced
Suspension system serviced
06/25/2004 16,306 Dealer Inventory
West Chester, PA Vehicle offered for sale
07/13/2004 16,338 Auto Auction Sold at auction
in Pennsylvania
Listed as
a dealer vehicle
07/29/2004 16,340 Dealer Inventory
Whitman, MA Vehicle offered for sale
07/30/2004 Dealer Inventory Vehicle offered for sale
So every 2 months or less it was somewhere to be serviced. Then it says "suspension system serviced." Why would suspension need servicing at 16,000 miles?

No accidents were reported but that doesn't mean it wasn't in one. Of course, I don't want to pass on something that could be just fine, because it was serviced a lot, or failed an inspection once.
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Your write that brings up a red flag too.
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