Hellllllooooo, Mr. Turbo. That thing is amazing. It would be trouble though. My car sat for 5 years in a garage before I bought it. I had TONS of little problems because fo that. That car would be VERY buggy for a year or two from sitting.

I wouldn't kick it out of bed, though!

Anybody going to E-town on March 29TH?
It'* gonna be honda day!!!

A guy in my town owns a GN. He smokes vettes with it. He says it is 0-60 in 3.8 seconds.

who are you talkin about, and dont say dannewitz

I guess you guys don't know what muscle cars are. With my 71 mach 1 with a 351 cleveland with just a pair of headers and an exhaust system kills most any chevelle, camaro, sattellite, and a lot of chargers and cudas. I had a friend of my dad who had a 69 camaro who put nearlly 12 G'* into that car and I blew him off the street. I also beat a 440 charger and many chevelle ss'. So I don't know where you get off saying that stangs aren't muscle cars. That stang and my bonneville are my babies.

I'll agree.....YOUR Mustang is a muscle car. I think the point is that the current Mustangs aren't. When the bodies shrunk, they became sports cars, not muscle cars. Really, of the 'Big 3' manufacturers, my own personal opinion is that only the Viper and Corvette really define muscle cars today. The Impala was up until 96........a moment of silence please........

I disagree with all of you . I'm not saying it'* not fast , A Bently is faster than a Chevelle. But that'* not a muscle car.
I still don't beleive they are muscle cars. Some people say my monte is the last of the muscle cars and the old folk say it'* not even that. Camaro'* and Mustangs are in a class of their own. I've never seen another car made to compete against them .
442, that'* a muscle car.
I can get a Porsche that'* faster than your Mach1 , does that make it a muscle car? NO.

no matter what people say ill always be a fan of the cameros. ever since my dad bought one and did it up...now its a blown 454 making over 700 horses at the wheels theres nothing like burning 10 bucks of gas jsut to back outta the driveway(its not that bad but it seems like it hehe)

Muscle Cars. What are they? According to the inventor of the muscle car--Mr. John DeLorean, a muscle car is a mid-sized car with a full-size car'* engine (the 1964 Tempest with the GTO option was the first muscle car). However, this definition is too simplistic. It is based on old technology (which I still hold near and dear to my heart) that couldn't take into account today'* technology.

So, what is a muscle car? There are many lables people put on performance cars--Muscle cars, Hot Rods, Pony Cars, Sports Cars, Sport Sedans, Luxury Sport Coupes, etc. In each, there are characteristics that set them asside from other vehicles. However, sometimes the categories overlap some. This is my understanding of what the above mean--along with examples:

Muscle Car: A production model that emphasizes brute power (torque and Hp) as the main characteristic and marketing tool, packaged in a midsized car. GTO (old and new), 1987 Buick Grand National, Shelby GT 500.

Hot Rod: An otherwise mundane vehicle that has been modified by the owner or another third party to perform more aggressively than stock. The K-car that ran 10'* in the quarter mile that was posted on this forum a while back, one of the SpeedGuy'* V-8 conversion Luminas, Rice (with authentic engine mods--not just stickers, body cladding, and wings).

Pony Car: A production model that emphasizes a small car with a moderately powerful engine, the combination of which gives agility and performance in a very small package--typically RWD. Mustangs (other than the specialty mustangs between 1967-1971), Trans Am'*, Camaro'*, AMX'*.

Sports Car: A production model that emphasizes brute power, handling, and appearence design--usually in a two seat or one seat configuration. Corvettes, Ford GT-40, Ford Pantera, Dodge Viper, McLahrens (sp).

Sport Sedans: A production model that emphasizes responsiveness, handling, and luxury in a sedan platform (four doors). These tend to be full size or large midsize vehicles. Cadillac STS, Bonneville, Ford Taurus SHO.

Luxury Sport Coupe'*: A production model that emphasizes responsiveness, handling, and luxury in a Coupe platform (two doors). These were largely marketed to executives who did not give rides to passengers very often. They tend to be full-size or large midsize vehicles. Cadillac Eldorado (any year), Lincoln Mark III, IV, V, VII, and VIII (not the Mark VI).

The examples this forum a while back, one of the SpeedGuy'* V-8 conversion Luminas, Rice (with authentic engine mods--not just stickers, body cladding, and wings).

Pony Car: A production model that emphasizes a small car with a moderately powerful engine, the combination of which gives agility and performance in a very small package--typically RWD. Mustangs (other than the specialty mustangs between 1967-1971), Trans Am'*, Camaro'*, AMX'*.

Sports Car: A production model that emphasizes brute power, handling, and appearence design--usually in a two seat or one seat configuration. Corvettes, Ford GT-40, Ford Pantera, Dodge Viper, McLahrens (sp).

Sport Sedans: A production model that emphasizes responsiveness, handling, and luxury in a sedan platform (four doors). These tend to be full size or large midsize vehicles. Cadillac STS, Bonneville, Ford Taurus SHO.

Luxury Sport Coupe'*: A production model that emphasizes responsiveness, handling, and luxury in a Coupe platform (two doors). These were largely marketed to executives who did not give rides to passengers very often. They tend to be full-size or large midsize vehicles. Cadillac Eldorado (any year), Lincoln Mark III, IV, V, VII, and VIII (not the Mark VI).

The examples this forum a while back, one of the SpeedGuy'* V-8 conversion Luminas, Rice (with authentic engine mods--not just stickers, body cladding, and wings).

Pony Car: A production model that emphasizes a small car with a moderately powerful engine, the combination of which gives agility and performance in a very small package--typically RWD. Mustangs (other than the specialty mustangs between 1967-1971), Trans Am'*, Camaro'*, AMX'*.

Sports Car: A production model that emphasizes brute power, handling, and appearence design--usually in a two seat or one seat configuration. Corvettes, Ford GT-40, Ford Pantera, Dodge Viper, McLahrens (sp).

Sport Sedans: A production model that emphasizes responsiveness, handling, and luxury in a sedan platform (four doors). These tend to be full size or large midsize vehicles. Cadillac STS, Bonneville, Ford Taurus SHO.

Luxury Sport Coupe'*: A production model that emphasizes responsiveness, handling, and luxury in a Coupe platform (two doors). These were largely marketed to executives who did not give rides to passengers very often. They tend to be full-size or large midsize vehicles. Cadillac Eldorado (any year), Lincoln Mark III, IV, V, VII, and VIII (not the Mark VI).

The examples athis forum a while back, one of the SpeedGuy'* V-8 conversion Luminas, Rice (with authentic engine mods--not just stickers, body cladding, and wings).

Pony Car: A production model that emphasizes a small car with a moderately powerful engine, the combination of which gives agility and performance in a very small package--typically RWD. Mustangs (other than the specialty mustangs between 1967-1971), Trans Am'*, Camaro'*, AMX'*.

Sports Car: A production model that emphasizes brute power, handling, and appearence design--usually in a two seat or one seat configuration. Corvettes, Ford GT-40, Ford Pantera, Dodge Viper, McLahrens (sp).

Sport Sedans: A production model that emphasizes responsiveness, handling, and luxury in a sedan platform (four doors). These tend to be full size or large midsize vehicles. Cadillac STS, Bonneville, Ford Taurus SHO.

Luxury Sport Coupe'*: A production model that emphasizes responsiveness, handling, and luxury in a Coupe platform (two doors). These were largely marketed to executives who did not give rides to passengers very often. They tend to be full-size or large midsize vehicles. Cadillac Eldorado (any year), Lincoln Mark III, IV, V, VII, and VIII (not the Mark VI).

The examples above may fit into other categories as well. Keep in mind that not all Mustangs, for example, were Pony cars. Some of them came with six'* and some came with four'*, others came with very weak V 8'*. Each car has value for someone, and short of building your own car from scratch, you will find some good and some bad in all models. No one has the fastest stock vehicle on this board, because unless you can afford a McLehren(sp)--which I doubt, you have a slower vehicle. It is pointless to argue who has the fastest modded vehicle, unless we all get together at a dragstrip and race. We all have our favorites which is great. And as Will said, we all have something in common, we own, and for the most part enjoy, Bonnevilles.

This above is only my opinion and no one has to agree with me. But please, no flames!

Hey Will, did I forget to take my Geritol or am I repeating myself...repeating myself...repeating myself...repea...

I hope this gets fixed soon!

The above post wasn't THAT long.