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Old 01-09-2007, 10:53 PM   #31
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Old 01-09-2007, 11:00 PM   #32
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I think the Bonneville IS a tank actually, and not just regarding drivetrain reliability. Our cars are referred to as tanks quite often when involved in accidents too.

Bonnevilles can take quite a beating and "abuse." But driving it hard isn't quite abuse, even on a regular basis IMO. Abuse would be ignoring regular maintenance, especially oil changes, WHILE driving it hard. But with repeatitive hard driving can come some wear and tear, and reduced reliability as with ANY car.

Bonnevilles may not have been built with speed primarily in mind, but the SSEi is a different beast than the NA 3800. It was built for power and the trannies were upgraded to take it. Sure our trannies can break down, and sure we drive family sedans, but with some work, we CAN take out sports cars BUILT for the 1/4 mile.
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Old 01-09-2007, 11:12 PM   #33
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I think the topic author is more asking if the Bonneville was built to be a sports car, and the answer is a flat "no." The Bonneville was built to be a family car, lets face it. It'* a four door car made for younger families and those who need a larger car, but don't want to give up decent performance and luxury options at the same time. "Luxury with attitude." Sound familiar? Basically, it'* in my opinion that the supercharged Bonneville came from those who still want to have some get up and go every once and a while, while still having room to go to the grocery store and buy a month'* worth of groceries while still having their kids with them in the back seat. When the 3800 powertrain was designed, I do not think that GM intended for it to be heavily modified and driven hard everyday. We're all just lucky that it'* a VERY strong engine and can take abuse from those who dish it out. If GM intended the Bonneville to be a sportier car it probably would have been two-door, have better brakes, have stiffer suspension (FE3 at the least), and more horsepower than they came with from the factory. Just my take, take it as you will, but, I don't think GM intended the Bonneville EVER to be a "sports" car.
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Old 01-09-2007, 11:23 PM   #34
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I agree. And to add, it was designed to be the only car you'll ever need:

Reliable, safe, powerful, practical, luxurious, comfortable, attractive, all while being FUEL EFFICIENT. What more could you ask for in a car?
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Old 01-09-2007, 11:24 PM   #35
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Just to add one more opinion, needed or not....

I do agree that these cars are some of the most reliable around ENGINE wise. The transmissions are nothing special, but the engines are OUTSTANDING. With normal maintinance these engines will last 300k easy. There are actually members here with engines at nearly 300k and STILL making cross country trips.

The transmissions, even properly maintinanced just will not withstand repeated abuse. And with the way you have described him treating that car, he is gonna find that out, REAL soon.

These are not "race cars" by any stretch of the imagination. These are large, near luxury, domestic sport sedans with a trim that happens to have a supercharged, ordinary, run of the mill Buick 3800. Simply for the person that wants to get to the supermarket faster. But obviously the majority of the active members at this club believe that they have more potential, and a few understatedly pushing the envelope.

If you can...show him this thread if possible. And maybe have him become a member so that some of the members can educate him to what his car is now, and with some work, what it CAN be. As well as let him know how long his fun is going to last if he doesn't treat the car well.

Maintinance is the absolute minimum, racing or not. IF it is properly taken care of at the proper intervals, racing is fine. But street racing is not. It is illegal and is most definitely not supported here.

By the way, everyone is welcome to be an active member here, bonneville or not. Stick around if yah like.
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Old 01-10-2007, 10:35 AM   #36
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Ok there I agree with all of that. I dont mean to say that the Bonneville is not fast heck I would have one myself but wel eyes are on other things. By abuse I mean driving up to someone gunning it then taking off. Stop light to stop light racing ALL the Time. Telling everyone he meets because he has a supercharger that he will beat their car in a race. even Motorcycles LOL. Yes Pontiac take alot heck it is a Gm after all. Running it out of oil then blaming it on a cooant leak. Basicly treating everydrive in it like you are going for the winston cup. Yes I gun my daily ride everyonce and awhile but not all the time. This person is a nice kid who does not understand that yes his car has power but it is not a tank it will break and there other cars out there that will just plain smoke him. basicly thinks his SSEI is the fastest v6 ever made and voices it all the time.
To 1993 SLE I know the difference. Racing is done safely on a track. Abuse is done on public roads.
I have a great Idea for you... I'm not bashing in any manner here...

When he Frags the Trans, Buy the car from him Dirt cheap as a Project Family car... Replace the Trans and use it as a Daily driver Hauler, come here and Mod with us...

Your friend sounds like he is very irresponsible with this car..

On a side note, Over the years I have upgraded a few things on the car to make it handle better, Get the exahust to flow better, Get the engine to inhale a little more.... Just the run of the mill stuff.. I beat the crapp out of my cars... I still drive My NA'd 3800 from Florida to WV and Back.... I do straight shots usually 14 hrs, I only stop when I need fuel or absolutely have to make a pit stop.. After almost 154,000 miles This has been a great 4 door sedan and held up to my abuse... Friends have beat their cars down and have had major trouble... They laughed at me when I bought the 95 SE... One took an 80 mile ride with me and wanted to buy it.... So here it is all these years later, All of my friends have gone through cars left and right, I still have that same Bonneville that I'd trust to drive anywhere...

I have replaced parts due to wear that were cause by my somewhat harsh driving style.. But you have to pay to play...

Common Sense is also important, Does your friend have that?

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what do you drive Die?

just making conversation...

and on topic - an SSEi can take a whole LOT of abuse, look around here, most of us drive hard, and our cars do not suffer that much because of it, especially considering its a "luxury car"
A lot of guys here are re-building engines and tranny'*, etc.... Guy'* here are tougher on their Bonnies than they say.
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what do you drive Die?

just making conversation...

and on topic - an SSEi can take a whole LOT of abuse, look around here, most of us drive hard, and our cars do not suffer that much because of it, especially considering its a "luxury car"
A lot of guys here are re-building engines and tranny'*, etc.... Guy'* here are tougher on their Bonnies than they say.
i LOVE to see one Person on here that had to rebuild the enging BECAUSE of the abuse....
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what do you drive Die?

just making conversation...

and on topic - an SSEi can take a whole LOT of abuse, look around here, most of us drive hard, and our cars do not suffer that much because of it, especially considering its a "luxury car"
A lot of guys here are re-building engines and tranny'*, etc.... Guy'* here are tougher on their Bonnies than they say.
The only engine replacements/rebuilds that I have seen are from catastrophic failures from an engineering defect, such as the Lower intake manifold gaskets failing, or the Upper intake plenum failing. That'* an engineering defect though, abuse has no factor in that happening. Transmissions, yes... Engines, Not so much.
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i LOVE to see one Person on here that had to rebuild the enging BECAUSE of the abuse....

Great point!
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