Not everyone is the perfect netizen, just as not everyone is the perfect citizen. To expect that everyone will be perfectly gentle and abiding is naive. Of course we can take actions against those who break rules just as we put people in jail but to expect that this forum or club for that matter be the perfect online utopia is incredulous. I am glad that the owner/admins/mods strive to create a great board and they have done an awesome job but to take away an entire section based on a few individuals is overbearing. Is there no way to remove a persons ability to post in certain forums? If not does a newer version do this?

I haven't come across it yet working with the forum software. There has to someone out there that is working on a mod that could do that.

Todd...

I agree with you on many points. Here is why I felt something had to be done about Kill Stories and yes..I'm repeating myself

1. I have been witness to many online forums that have degraded to the point where e-flaming and pandering and name calling and nit picking is such an issue it detracts from the rest of the board. Its becomes a black mark on a club and its loses respect.

2. If a member wants to be active on this forum, they WILL be good netizens or they will be dismissed. Some have.

3. AMPLE warning was given. I made a polite request to encourage CONSTRUCTIVE criticism so that we can all enjoy.

4. Its far to easy for anyone to sit behind a the safety of their monitor troll around looking for negative attention. I for one, request that all members when posting simulate being in a room, face to face talking with that individual, I highly doubt some of the attitude that we see would develop in that kind of a scenario

5. Credibility...nuff said, I'm sorry, but we drive 4 door, 4000lbs sedans...can't win em all.

I wanted a lesson to be learned, I want us to be taken seriously.

I do appreciate everyones comments though pertaining to this matter.

I agree with Rogue 100% but would like to add name calling and verbal attacks to the list of abuses.

I agree that the Moderator warned the offenders but instead of punishing the offenders the whole board was punished. I hope that'* not the way all punishments will be. This is what I'm trying to get across.

I also dislike "Mass Punishment", but sometimes it is more effective, and honestly, just easier. In a case such as this, I can see it as appropriate. Rather than just watch the offending area rot away, perform the amputation, and call yourself lucky it didn't spread.

As I stated earlier, the site has grown. I'm sure more search engines are pointed this way now. Heck, that'* how I got here. So, if someone is doing a search for their car, finds this link, and reads an article they don't like, they get mad, join and go to war.

Without that temptation, we (or they, referring to the Admins and Mods) don't have to worry so much about it. As fun as some of the stories were to read, they are not why most people find us, or stay (in my opinion). Besides, even with the disclaimers, there still the slight chance of legal repercussions as well.

Again, I think this turned more into a babble than the well thought out response I planned, but that'* me, and as far as I can tell, it'* still legible (for lack of a better word)

Maybe the administration could pick a few different board scenarios that they could live with, whether it'* going back to the way it was before, having a heavily modded kill stories, or scrapping it altogether...and then we as the board populace vote on it. I KNOW this isn't a democracy, but getting the mass opinion might be helpful in determining what scenario will work the best.

I am personally for scrapping 'Kill Stories' and replacing it with an aforementioned 'Campfire Stories' type board, to discuss any interesting Bonneville anecodte we have. Also, I am no lawyer but I think that just HAVING a forum for discussion of street racing is a liability. I know it says that BC doesn't condone street racing...but by providing the forum in the first place, BC *IS* providing a bragging area and possible motivation to want to go faster and more recklessly.

When I came to BC this summer I was impressed beyond belief at how well run it was, how friendly everyone is, and the overall level of maturity. It is hands down one of the best websites I have ever come across. Even though we have a huge userbase, people are still aware of eachother'* personalities and it feels like being part of a big family. It would really p*** me off if we lost that over some little Brady Bunch problem with Kill Stories.

That'* a good point bonnephile.

In other forums I have seen, you need to e-mail the mods to get special permission to view the Racing stories, because it is such a hot topic. In other forums, I've never seen a trace of them. Maybe in the past they had problems with it as well. I think we could be better off without street racing.

Lets get a list going of possible replacements for Kill Stories..

My suggestion is a forum called On the Road: Share your experiences behind the wheel, unique sightings, campfire stories, whatever...

I like the idea of asking permission before posting a Kill Story...logistically, might be difficult to do, but its worth a shot...

Oh and we try to make it as democratic as possible hence the Suggestions forum

I personally stopped reading Kill Stories several months ago, and rarely ever posted there. A lot of the topics were about someone beating a car that my grandmother could beat with her walker, so I didn't have any motivation to read them. And to me, I didn't really get anything out of "Kill Stories" anyway. I honestly would not miss Kill Stories if it were deleted since I rarely went there to begin with, and also because it would get rid of a lot of flaming. BUT, I'm sure there are others who would miss it. And I'm not for taking away someone'* chance to talk about something they want to talk about.

Ususally the easiest thing to do would be to get rid of it. But the easiest solution is not always the best solution. I think for the present members of BC, this 'time out' for Kill Stories will be a good thing and will be a wake-up call if it'* opened again. But for future members, we should make sure they know the rules before they go posting crap and flames there, and let them know the consequences if they do. Maybe PM'ing new members as they join, to read the 'notice' set-up in 'Kill Stories' just to further make sure they read it and know the 'rules.'

I think it should be re-named though as people suggested. Maybe then people won't only post about races but about other things as well. It has seemed as if a few people posted in Kill Stories and nowhere else, in order to gain respect from beating a bunch of cars. If there was less emphasis on 'kills' maybe there would be less bragging and BS. I'd hate to see it renamed "Road Stories" and just have people eventually post only about kills, and bring us back to where we started. I'm still thinking about this but if it stays it should be renamed.

could a poll be posted with opinions on keeping kill stories (with a new name or whatever happens) or ditching it completely.

well i'll go ahead and vote....ditch it