Being a Smart *** is not a crime and not everyone wil behave. Especially the younger crowd. Sometimes it takes a little persuasion. I've seen people on other boards who continously caused trouble at first and the Moderators warned them and then punished them a few times and now 3 years later these people are some of the most respected people on the board. You also have to give an allowable margin of freedom or leeway or people will start to resent the powers that be.

in regards to bonniephiles post... very well said, with one exception... "asking " a city to put in a dragstrip is like asking them to make you mayor for a day... it just dont happen usually, simply because thers liability and it is EXPENSIVE.... noise complaints and otehr complaints come with a strip.... i should know i was part of a group taht tried to bring back our drag strip here in Saginaw, do some searching on the history of Tri-City Motor speedway in Saginaw, MI and im sure you can find why it wasnt brought back. as far as Kill section goes, i too, say get rid of it. If it is causing us this much trouble, why do we even have it?

I think 'asking' a city would be the wrong way to go...however, you CAN encourage a city to listen to your proposal by doing a little research, presenting drag racing as a dangerous problem in your city, making up a petition, and presenting all of this to your...uhh...city dudes...doing might have an effect. I'm not saying it'* a guarantee, but city councils DO listen to the populace and might be willing to consider...especially if there has been a drag-racing related problem, death, or injury in the recent past.

This is what Tom Kreager from the IHRA told me. And my area is considered to be saturated with tracks because there are 6 tracks within 200 miles. The closest one is 30 miles away an it'* a POS non-sanctioned track. And most of the sanctioned tracks are closed during the winter.

As MOS has pointed out...."Do we need TWO Threads regarding this topic?"
http://www.bonnevilleclub.com/forum/...ic.php?t=12809

It'* so we can gripe twice as much!

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Ok, here is my take on this. Firstly, I believe in free speech. Secondly, I believe that everyone has a voice and should be heard. Sometimes the combination of the two above leads to things being said that either are not conformative, not wanted, not believed, or not of someone else'* ideals. When this happens several things can take place. The person is shunned, talked bad about, accepted, praised for being innovative or whatever. The internet, much like society is an ever evolving, self-moderating, living entity. People will say things and will be responded to in various ways. If enough "bad" things happen to someone they will stop doing that thing. If "good" things happen then that will entice them to continue. Peer pressure is THE most powerful moderating force in life.

Where am I going with this? I think "Kill Stories" or any other forum for that matter should be a self-moderating discussion area, with moderators or admins able to step in and take care of those that ABUSE the forum or their ability to post. Now, what is abuse? To me, posting something that is considered BS or not of like mindset with the moderators/admins is not abuse. It is voicing ones opinion and while this may elicit questions or remarks from others to prove something or back up statements with facts that is not entirely a bad thing. If most of the BS'* are questioned enough times, or proven to be wrong enough times, they will stop posting.

Abuse to me is unrelated posts, multiple postings, posting links to **** while saying its their latest movie video, selling stuff but not delivering, asking people to go sites to check out the latest coolest thing only to get virus'*. THIS is abuse.

Forums are meant for discussion. They are meant to get input from all walks of life and that quite frankly is hard to do if some governing entity is censoring what is said. Removing a forum because you dont like what is being said in it is wrong IMO. Remove the abusers and let the self-moderating happen.

My Opinion.

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Todd

I would like to point out the fact that for about the last month I have avoided the kills section, I just don't care for what a lot of our Newer members have been posting. Stuff like this isn't happening just in kills either, i see the board changing a lot in some places.

i'm going to express my opinion, which is probably a minority in itself.

i'm not a fan of the kill section, and try to avoid it as much as possible.

my personal belief is that there is a lot of BS and pointless stuff like I SMOKED A RUSTY MINIVAN.

I'm not dissing on anyone that hangs out in this forum, but its just not the place for me. I drive all the time, and I keep my races (for the most part to myself) weather wins or loses


i don't think everyone should get hyped up about the forum being locked. i personally haven't noticed other than a ton of "HEAR ME OUT" / "PLEASE READ THIS" in my unread posts.

Things have become pretty hostile here in the past couple months. When I joined a year and a half ago, nobody dared to talk back to someone. Now it is becoming more common.