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Old Nov 15, 2023 | 02:22 PM
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The mechanic says that maybe the cylinder head is too soft and that is why it is leaking. If it was new "genuine GM" are they not required to meet a standard. He suggested torquing the head a bit more maybe 20-30 degrees and hope it works. He said that the car should start now because the coolant would have drained down to the oil.
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Old Nov 15, 2023 | 07:54 PM
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The mechanic suggests tightening head gasket bolts a bit more to stop the leak. Has anyone done this and can it work. If there is 25% chance it works then I should try it as it will not cost me any more...he will do this for no charge. Is it common for the block to need machining if the engine did not overheat. Although the head is completely flat, the block was not machined.
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Old Nov 15, 2023 | 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Jungloverano
The mechanic suggests tightening head gasket bolts a bit more to stop the leak. Has anyone done this and can it work. If there is 25% chance it works then I should try it as it will not cost me any more...he will do this for no charge. Is it common for the block to need machining if the engine did not overheat. Although the head is completely flat, the block was not machined.
You have possibly the worst mechanic in the world. That guy should not be allowed to work on a bicycle let alone a car.
TTY should never be reused or re-torqued. It takes less than 5 minutes to check a head and deck for straightness.

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Old Nov 15, 2023 | 11:18 PM
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Please Help.. So yesterday I had to go to my son'* new rents to help him move. After the first 50km or so I checked the coolant level and it was fine then another 60km to his home. I helped him move and during the whole time I had started and stopped the car about 4 times. I was at his place for just over an hour an then was heading home.. the car didn't start but just a click as before. I called the mechanic and he asked about the starter fuse and it was burnt . He asked me to bypass the fuse by using a piece of wire and it did not start but the wire got quite hot. I checked the coolant and it was low. My car is now sitting at my sons rental place 110 km away in another town closer to where my mechanic lives.
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If these are the same mechanic I advise finding another. That was a very careless thing for him to have you do.
​​​​​​​Careless? Let'* try dangerous. And damaging.
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Old Nov 15, 2023 | 11:19 PM
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If the cylinder head is good..From where else can coolant go or make into combustion chamber. Oil was not milky.
Same way it has been this whole time. I've never heard that this "mechanic" got the head put on right.
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Old Nov 15, 2023 | 11:21 PM
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could coolant get into the engine through intake manifold. If so, why would coolant be going through intake manifold.
No need chasing why it would get in through somewhere we are guessing it got in, especially with this "mechanic'*" history of installing the head gasket terribly wrong. It has been getting in there. It is likely still getting in there.
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Old Nov 15, 2023 | 11:41 PM
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I bought GM fresh head gasket and matching bolts .
You bought these within the last few days? . . . or are these the old ones from weeks or months ago?

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The head gasket is suppose to be torqued 22 lbs and then 155 degrees .
Sounds right.

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I saw the mechanic do the torque but didn't see if he had the wrench set for 22 but I assume he got that right.
Why assume this? He has not gotten it right ever before, and if I remember right, he blamed previous torqueing issues on his new wrench that [must be improperly adjusted] or somesuch. It'* not rocket surgery to check calibration on a torque wrench, and since this mechanic claims to be knowledgeable, he should have either checked the wrench and/or known by feel that he was grossly over-torqueing and/or under-torqueing bolts.

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Then I saw him do the 160 degrees (he decided to do 5 more).
Why? Is he not confident in his work? . . . or his wrench? . . . or the procedure? More isn't necessarily better.

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I don't know why the first 50km highway miles I drove, no coolant was lost and in fact it was a bit more in the reservoir and I thought that was due to temperature change compared to when cold.
Makes sense that it is a little more full after being warmed up. Also makes sense that this combination of abused head, stretched threads in the block, and who knows how many other defects, would combine for surprise results when you use the car. Could very well be that the head gasket had uneven pressure all around, and after shutting off, there was no more cylinder pressure while there was coolant pressure, and that combination finished off the new head gasket.

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Why did I lose so much coolant in the second half of the trip (mixed highway and city) . The first half of the trip was at outside temperature of about 8 degrees celcius while the second haft was at about 5 degrees.
Those are pretty wide temperature swings, between 5 and ~100 degrees Celsius. That could have contributed.

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Could the oil lubriction of head bolts allow them to come loose with the temperature change and vibration then there was gasket leak in the second half of my trip or is this unlikely.
Why were the head bolts lubricated? carfixer007 and I both advised this is the wrong way to do it. Now I am positive that the "mechanic" didn't torque the head down properly.

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The fuse to starter also burnt out.
Yes, once again you are trying to start a hydrolocked engine.

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If I take spark plugs out and replace fuse, Should I be able to turn the engine with the starter.
Maybe, if the starter isn't ruined. You did bypass the fuse that was put there to protect various parts including the starter.

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If fuse burns out then the problem might not be mechanical but electrical ?
If the problem is electrical, it is probably a failed starter. If it is a failed starter, it was caused by trying to start a hydrolocked engine, and then trying some more with the fuse bypassed. The fix then would be to fix the engine and replace the starter.
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Old Nov 15, 2023 | 11:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Jungloverano
He has already oiled and torqued. My question is whether the bolts might loosen because they were oiled or is this unlikely
It is likely that the head is warped because he tightened with oiled threads, and then overtightened while he was at it. A warped head will not seal well. Your current symptoms tell me that the head gasket is not sealing well. He has ruined your engine both again and more.

Oiled threads reduce friction while being torqued, the friction of the threads is lower. To get the same torque reading on the torque wrench, the head bolt has to compress the head much tighter than if it were done properly. Now you have pinch points under all of the bolts and lift points between the bolts. Make a ham sandwich, wheat or white bread, your choice. Cut it in half. Now hold a half up like you're going to eat it. The top bread is the head, the ham is the gasket, and the bottom bread is the block. Pinch the sandwich on each end. See what the bread does in the center? Same thing is what the "mechanic" did with your head gasket.
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Old Nov 16, 2023 | 12:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Jungloverano
The mechanic says that maybe the cylinder head is too soft and that is why it is leaking.
This part works fine on every other engine. The "mechanic" is wrong.

. . . or the "mechanic" is right: The head is too soft for his methods of overtightening until things break over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over.

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If it was new "genuine GM" are they not required to meet a standard.
Yes, they are. The "mechanic" has ruined it by installing it improperly. GM can not design to this "mechanic'*" level of ineptitude.

Should a standard Freightliner 80,000-pound GCVWR truck meet a standard? Yes, until you load it up to 200,000 pounds, bend stuff, then load it to 250,000 pounds and bend more stuff. Is Freightliner responsible for this? No.

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He suggested torquing the head a bit more maybe 20-30 degrees and hope it works.
So, it is grossly overtorqued, and his advice, as always, is torque it down even more? This is the definition of insanity. We've already been through this.

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He said that the car should start now because the coolant would have drained down to the oil.
Sure, start it if you can. Coolant in the oil will finish this poor engine off and you'll finally have to go get a good used junkyard engine like we suggested months ago.
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Old Nov 16, 2023 | 12:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Jungloverano
The mechanic suggests tightening head gasket bolts a bit more to stop the leak.
The "mechanic" is wrong. This is a bad idea. We've already been here and done this. Insanity.

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Has anyone done this and can it work.
We've already discussed this. These are torque-to-yield bolts. They can not do this properly.

No it can not work.

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If there is 25% chance it works then I should try it as it will not cost me any more...he will do this for no charge.
There is not a 25% chance this will work. There is a 0% chance it will work. You've already been through this with this "mechanic". It will cost you more.

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Is it common for the block to need machining if the engine did not overheat. Although the head is completely flat, the block was not machined.
No. It is not common. And with an overhead cam engine, you can't go machining it ***** nilly.
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