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Old 07-11-2015, 11:40 AM   #11
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He stated P1070.....I think he meant P0170......
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Yes that is what I meant the catalyst code for lean on bank 1 I believe
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That is not a catalyst code, that is a lean condition code....
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Where should I start from here?
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It should be stated right off the bat that the most common problem associated with this code is the MAF sensor or air mass meter. This is especially the case with Mercedes-Benz and Volkswagen and other European cars. At time of writing, you don't normally see this code with American-made cars, and minimally with Asian, and, to be honest, I have no idea why. It appears to me that the PCM (powertrain control module) logic used by some European car manufacturers to set a P0170 (or P0173) fault code simply isn't used by American vehicle manufacturers. It is more common to see P0171, 0174, 0172, 0175 codes set with regard to fuel trim malfunctions on American cars. There is very little information on the setting conditions for a P0170, or P0173, but what information that is available almost seems to be a redundancy of the P0171,4,2 & 5 setting conditions. I'm sure there'* a reason for it, but I can't get anyone to tell me what that is. The similarities between them may be why we don't see this code surface on domestic vehicles very often. It'* simply unnecessary. So, simply put, if you have a P0170, your PCM noticed that the fuel trims reached their rich correction limit. Basically it'* adding fuel to try to compensate for a lean condition, real or perceived.

If you have this code and access to a scan tool, observe the MAF sensor reading in grams/sec. The reading will be different for different automobiles, so get a good spec. I'm going to stick with what would be normal for a Mercedes (1.8L), since they have the bulk of the trouble. Expect to see at idle 3.5-5 g/* (ideally). At 2500 RPMs with no load it should be between 9 and 12 g/*. On road test, at WOT (wide open throttle) it should be 90 g/* or well above. If it'* not in specs, replace it. Be careful of Ebay MAFs. Often they don't work according to OE specifications. If the MAF checks out and there is no oil intrusion at the connector, check fuel pressure and ensure that there are no leaks at the regulator internally or externally. Check all vacuum hoses and confirm none are cracked, disconnected or missing. Make sure there are no vacuum leaks at the intake manifold gaskets or tears in the air supply hose. If the engine is turbo charged, be sure the hoses are in good condition and have no leaks. Leaking turbo pressure hoses could cause a rich condition. Inspect the condition of crankcase vent hose under intake manifold and operation of check valve in the hose. (In the "What are the causes?" section) If there doesn't appear to be any problems with the fuel pressure, MAF or vacuum hoses, then inspect the O2 sensor connectors for oil intrusion. A bad O2 sensor could cause a P0170, or P0173. Repair cause of oil leak and replace oil-fouled O2 sensor.
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It is good to trying to provide links from the source when copy/pasting, that way they can know the info comes from a decent source.
P0170 Fuel Trim Malfunction (Bank 1)

MAF was my first guess, I know it was replaced, but whet type of MAF was used, some aftermarket brands don't seem to work well, in my experience anyway, I have always stayed with AC Delco.
Would not hurt to inspect the wiring harness that connects to the MAF.

Other thoughts are there may be some serious un-metered air leak, has the lower intake gasket ever been replaced with the aluminum framed gasket?
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I still would take the converter loose 2 bolts 10 mins max to check for bad converter or other problems like a collapsed muffler.
I wonder how some people would fix a early MB with fuel injection that has codes or ECM
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I think we all know any fuel problem can overheat a converter and make it go bad correct?
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No one has seen what a car runs like with a plugged up converter?
They don't necessary even set a code related to a converter
So when some one is playing with the throttle to keep it running for say 10 mins.
I wonder what the converter looks like a red fireball?
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Find the lean condition, or you will lose the cat....
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