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Old 04-04-2004, 04:40 PM   #11
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No doubt GM is getting great milage and perfromance out of the old push rod engines, that a forsure. 15 years ago I would have argued impossible.

I agree - whats with GM and theses cheap plastic interior pieces? I cringe everytime my daughter and her friends get in the back seat of the LSS. I wonder if the car will greatly depreaciate by the time they get out. Im not talking from abuse either, just plain vunerablity and weak cheap junk, waiting to get snapped.

I've been driving on the northern side of the Catskill Mt'* and Helderburg Hills my entire adult life and that goes back to the 70'* and RWD cars. Its all hills here, if we're not going up we're going down. The introduction of FWD with the VW'* in the late 70'* was like a revolution . Suddenly we could get back up the hill to get home from work on a snowy day, or down and around before the plows in the morning to get out. No way is RWD even close to the equivelent of FWD. 3 winters ago I drove the 76 Delta in the winter. On snowy mornings I took my 2wd Dakota because the Delta would'nt get out the driveway. The Dakota has a cap and tool shelves, tools, studded snows, all kinds of stuff and weight so it does go well. The old way around here before FWD was trunks full of concrete blocks and sand and other crazy stuff plus a set of tire chains. All long forgotten about since GM, Ford and Chrysler went FWD, but in the 80'* there were lots of VW Rabbits, Jettas, CIvics, Saabs and Subaru'* around these parts. I love driving RWD cars, even powering around the rear end in the winter, but if I really need to get somewhere and conditions are snowy FWD rules.
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It was said that torque steer was very minimal on the 375 HP gobs of torque 425 CI 1966 Toronado. Maybe they need to rethink the engineering on FWD a little again. Its simply a matter where the tire sits in relation to the steering knuckle. Sure the old Toro wheels looked peculiar but they worked and the cars succeeded. I guess strut clearence is the problem with this on our modern day FWD'*. There just isnt room to bring the wheel center in closer to the knuckle axis. Hmm ? Whats wrong with torsion bars instead of struts ? Oh well, Im no engineer. I'm glad to see RWD comming back but I dont want all RWD like GM did when the decided to go all FWD. AWD sounds great but as a less financially fortunante I'm also little worried about possible unseen expenses with buying used AWD cars as well.
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I personally think doing all the new technology to "catch up" doesn't mean ****.

You don't need DOHC, funky tail lights, etc etc, to play. You just need performance. I prefer my pushrod engine over ANY OHC engine i've driven ever. I've gotten 40 MPG, i've got great performance.

If the dash items weren't as rounded off (notches/letters) like the vette, i'd like them more, but i'm a fan of hte GM design. Why copy the japanese and make a flat lined body car. I can't even stand looking in the side mirror in my mom'* camry. No curves!

Things like HUD, need to be introduced. They set the car apart in 92.

I'd make the leather nicer, work on interior piece fitting, and manufacture tight tolerance, higher performing engines. It doesn't cost too much more for them to make.
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but imagine developing a powerplant that is a little smaller and runs a little leaner than the current LS(X) V8 engines, and maybe puts out a healthy 250-300HP and can still push the Bonneville as far as a Corolla on every gallon of gasoline. The Cadillac CTS-V has the 400HP LS6 and is projected to run 27-28mpg. Now, let'* sacrifice just a dose of power for fuel economy for the environmentally responsible soccer moms, and we have winner. And for those of us who crave the speed and can afford the octane, put all 400 horsies back under the hood.

the 5.3 they use in trucks. its basically a smaller Ls1. there are already rumors of it going in the grand prix gxp

realistically, the smartest thing they could do is this. the GTO has the 5.7, they wont put the 5.7 in the bonneville unless the gto gets upped to the ls2 which is 6.0. put the 5.3 in the bonneville, and the 4.8 in the grand prix gxp. there all basically ls1 variants. the best would be 6.0 in the gto, 5.7 in the bonneville, 5.3 in the grand prix. they won't do this for sure untill the ls7 comes out in the vette. if gm really did grow a brain, thats what they'd do. i love my northstar, but it doesn't compete at all with the LS block
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the 5.3 they use in trucks. its basically a smaller Ls1. there are already rumors of it going in the grand prix gxp

realistically, the smartest thing they could do is this. the GTO has the 5.7, they wont put the 5.7 in the bonneville unless the gto gets upped to the ls2 which is 6.0. put the 5.3 in the bonneville, and the 4.8 in the grand prix gxp. there all basically ls1 variants. the best would be 6.0 in the gto, 5.7 in the bonneville, 5.3 in the grand prix. they won't do this for sure untill the ls7 comes out in the vette. if gm really did grow a brain, thats what they'd do. i love my northstar, but it doesn't compete at all with the LS block
Word.

I'm pretty sure this was implied, but just to make it explicit in case any GM execs are reading this and cannot infer, some RWD platforms would be nice if you're really serious about Pontiac claiming "We're Driving Excitement."
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