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Old 02-08-2011, 10:45 AM   #51
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Alright...I'm sorry for the TRIPLE post :/...but how do these look? http://www.audioque.com/HDC310-Coppe...ofer_p_13.html . Maybe I could run one of those? What do you think? I'm confused about what I should do. :/. lol. Since the Sundowns are $195 a piece, 2 would cost about $390 *I did the math myself again. haha.* and one of the HDC310'* is $229. At 1000 RMS and 2000 Peak, the sensitivity is 88dB. But 2 of the Sundowns would have 1200 RMS but can be pushed. Then again, they'll cost be about $390 for 2 where as this one has 1000 RMS and costs $229 for one. Hmmm. decisions, decisions. I need HELPPPPP
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Wow. That was a lot to take in. Thank you for the responses. So you're saying that the AudioQue AQ2200 would be a nice matchup to run both of them? $389 isn't too bad considering it'* pushing both of them. Would this amp underpower them? I kinda want to get the most out of them. lol. I will definitely be getting that AudioQue AQ2200 if it'* a good match up. You've been a great help so far and I appreciate it.
You're welcome. The AQ2200 is on the extreme end, not something I'd recommend you do since you're pretty much a noob (with all due respect ) That AQ1200 will have those subs bangin'! Or you could look for a 1500 watt amp but I wouldn't recommened you going much higher than that due to your lack of experience and knowledge here. Not trying to be a jerk, it just gets real criticial that you know your stuff and set everything perfectly once you get to a certain power level, not to mention the electrical system of your car will have to be suitable to feed the amps or you're just gonna burn them up. That being said, I can't see how you wouldn't be impressed by the AQ1200, and it won't be much of a load on your cars electrical. I'd stick with that until you're able to beef up your electrical system and then you can sell that amp and get something more powerful.

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Hmmm. If the amp just has enough power to push them, is there another one that I can get that will push them harder without destroying them? The subs have 600 RMS each, combined is 1200 RMS *I did the math myself. haha*. You said you're giving yours 1500 daily. 1200 RMS hmmm. Is there anything you can compare that too? You already know what I'm looking for. haha. Is there a way I can feed them 1400 watts and not damage them? They're a bit expensive for me to replace for my situation...I'm only 20. haha. Is it a good idea to do that or no? I don't want to risk anything.
To be honest bro, I could hook up my 1500 watt amp to your subs and turn the gain down to where the amp is only putting out 1200 watts.....and then up to where it'* putting out 1500 watts and I promise you that you wouldn't be able to hear a difference. The human ear isn't that sensitive. So stick with the AQ1200, it'll be less of a drain on your electrical system and it'll have those subs slappin'! The more power you give them the easier it is to exceed their thermal handling abilities aka blow them. Start out with the AQ1200, learn some more about car audio, beef up your electrical system and then start putting more power to them. Going backwards in that process always leads to disaster.

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Alright...I'm sorry for the TRIPLE post :/...but how do these look? http://www.audioque.com/HDC310-Coppe...ofer_p_13.html . Maybe I could run one of those? What do you think? I'm confused about what I should do. :/. lol. Since the Sundowns are $195 a piece, 2 would cost about $390 *I did the math myself again. haha.* and one of the HDC310'* is $229. At 1000 RMS and 2000 Peak, the sensitivity is 88dB. But 2 of the Sundowns would have 1200 RMS but can be pushed. Then again, they'll cost be about $390 for 2 where as this one has 1000 RMS and costs $229 for one. Hmmm. decisions, decisions. I need HELPPPPP
Those AudioQue HDC'* are beasts! The thought has crossed my mind about running a pair of the 12'* for my next setup. For the money, you're getting alot of sub. Some people just compare sub sizes and say "well, for $80 less I can get Brand X 12", it'* 1000rms too." Haha, that'* true, but look deeper.....does Brand X have a 3" coil? Does Brand X have a 340oz. magnet hanging off the back of it? Does brand X have a cast basket or a stamped one? Does Brand X have 4 spiders? Does Brand X have woven tinsel leads? I can go on and on, but you get the point.

Just for an example, if you were to get the same amp, the AQ1200, for both of these setups, the dual SA-12 setup would be louder due to double the cone area which means it'll move more air. So yeah, you have a decision to make
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You're welcome. The AQ2200 is on the extreme end, not something I'd recommend you do since you're pretty much a noob (with all due respect ) That AQ1200 will have those subs bangin'! Or you could look for a 1500 watt amp but I wouldn't recommened you going much higher than that due to your lack of experience and knowledge here. Not trying to be a jerk, it just gets real criticial that you know your stuff and set everything perfectly once you get to a certain power level, not to mention the electrical system of your car will have to be suitable to feed the amps or you're just gonna burn them up. That being said, I can't see how you wouldn't be impressed by the AQ1200, and it won't be much of a load on your cars electrical. I'd stick with that until you're able to beef up your electrical system and then you can sell that amp and get something more powerful.

To be honest bro, I could hook up my 1500 watt amp to your subs and turn the gain down to where the amp is only putting out 1200 watts.....and then up to where it'* putting out 1500 watts and I promise you that you wouldn't be able to hear a difference. The human ear isn't that sensitive. So stick with the AQ1200, it'll be less of a drain on your electrical system and it'll have those subs slappin'! The more power you give them the easier it is to exceed their thermal handling abilities aka blow them. Start out with the AQ1200, learn some more about car audio, beef up your electrical system and then start putting more power to them. Going backwards in that process always leads to disaster.

Those AudioQue HDC'* are beasts! The thought has crossed my mind about running a pair of the 12'* for my next setup. For the money, you're getting alot of sub. Some people just compare sub sizes and say "well, for $80 less I can get Brand X 12", it'* 1000rms too." Haha, that'* true, but look deeper.....does Brand X have a 3" coil? Does Brand X have a 340oz. magnet hanging off the back of it? Does brand X have a cast basket or a stamped one? Does Brand X have 4 spiders? Does Brand X have woven tinsel leads? I can go on and on, but you get the point.

Just for an example, if you were to get the same amp, the AQ1200, for both of these setups, the dual SA-12 setup would be louder due to double the cone area which means it'll move more air. So yeah, you have a decision to make
Once again, you have helped tremendously. Thank God I have someone like you helping me, otherwise, I'd be lost. Plus you have experience with the subs. Damn. I understand what you're saying. I guess I'm set on the Sundowns. I'm not doubting you at all, but the AQ1200 is a good matchup for the Sundowns? if so, I have my heart set. The thing I'm worried about is dimming. I want to have the least amount of dimming. I wanted to set up a yellow top battery in the trunk along with the subs. I don't know. I'm going to get the car checked out as soon as I get home. I don't really have the money for the high output alternator. I wanted to put HID'* in my headlights and foglights too. Is there any way to get minimal dimming with these beasts slapping around? Also, would the box needs to be sealed or ported. I'm going to shoot them an email when I'm ready for a box to be built. I want it to be a little custom too. lol
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Also, I have a Kenwood eXcelon x-494 headunit already installed. Is that any good?
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Once again, you have helped tremendously. Thank God I have someone like you helping me, otherwise, I'd be lost. Plus you have experience with the subs. Damn. I understand what you're saying. I guess I'm set on the Sundowns. I'm not doubting you at all, but the AQ1200 is a good matchup for the Sundowns? if so, I have my heart set. The thing I'm worried about is dimming. I want to have the least amount of dimming. I wanted to set up a yellow top battery in the trunk along with the subs. I don't know. I'm going to get the car checked out as soon as I get home. I don't really have the money for the high output alternator. I wanted to put HID'* in my headlights and foglights too. Is there any way to get minimal dimming with these beasts slapping around? Also, would the box needs to be sealed or ported. I'm going to shoot them an email when I'm ready for a box to be built. I want it to be a little custom too. lol
It'* all good man, glad I can help. Yeah, that AQ1200 is a solid amp, I had one and loved it. Only reason I got rid of it was because I wanted to nearly double my power....I was running the AQ @ 2 ohms (870rms) and since I was gonna upgrade to the SA-12'* I wanted make the jump to 1600rms instead of just 1200rms.

As for dimming, like I said earlier, you're gonna have to get whatever issue you're having with your car fixed first because it'* not normal to have voltage drop when you turn the steering wheel. But I didn't have any dimming with my AQ and none with my Sundown amp and the only electrical upgrade I have made so far is a new starting battery and the Big 3 of course. But other than that, stock.

I'd definitely put those subs in a ported box. If you're gonna do a pair of them on that AQ amp, 2cu.ft. per sub would be ideal and tuned to low to mid 30'*.

I haven't had a Kenwood deck since 2000 so I don't know about the deck.
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It'* all good man, glad I can help. Yeah, that AQ1200 is a solid amp, I had one and loved it. Only reason I got rid of it was because I wanted to nearly double my power....I was running the AQ @ 2 ohms (870rms) and since I was gonna upgrade to the SA-12'* I wanted make the jump to 1600rms instead of just 1200rms.

As for dimming, like I said earlier, you're gonna have to get whatever issue you're having with your car fixed first because it'* not normal to have voltage drop when you turn the steering wheel. But I didn't have any dimming with my AQ and none with my Sundown amp and the only electrical upgrade I have made so far is a new starting battery and the Big 3 of course. But other than that, stock.

I'd definitely put those subs in a ported box. If you're gonna do a pair of them on that AQ amp, 2cu.ft. per sub would be ideal and tuned to low to mid 30'*.

I haven't had a Kenwood deck since 2000 so I don't know about the deck.
As long as it can push both of them, I'm fine with it. haha

I'm going to get my car checked out when I get back from my vacation. It'* weird. I posted up a thread on here to show what happens exactly. I don't get it. Is there any tutorial for the Big 3 anywhere? Like a well-written one? lol. Would putting a yellow top in the trunk along with them do anything? But then, how would the battery charge. Hmmm. There'* my answer I guess :/. lol. Any other options? :/

I'm going to place the order for the first one by hopefully Saturday night. Then the second one will be place in about a week. Then the amp, and then finally the box and wiring. Should I get a capacitor or no? I know, I'm a P.I.T.A.. :/
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As long as it can push both of them, I'm fine with it. haha

I'm going to get my car checked out when I get back from my vacation. It'* weird. I posted up a thread on here to show what happens exactly. I don't get it. Is there any tutorial for the Big 3 anywhere? Like a well-written one? lol. Would putting a yellow top in the trunk along with them do anything? But then, how would the battery charge. Hmmm. There'* my answer I guess :/. lol. Any other options? :/

I'm going to place the order for the first one by hopefully Saturday night. Then the second one will be place in about a week. Then the amp, and then finally the box and wiring. Should I get a capacitor or no? I know, I'm a P.I.T.A.. :/
Tutorials for the Big 3 are everywhere, google search. Yeah, putting another battery in the trunk would add another source to pull current from your alternator. It would charge via the large, long power wire you'd run from the front battery to the back one. Skip the capacitor, waste of money.
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Tutorials for the Big 3 are everywhere, google search. Yeah, putting another battery in the trunk would add another source to pull current from your alternator. It would charge via the large, long power wire you'd run from the front battery to the back one. Skip the capacitor, waste of money.
Hmmm. I guess I'll go with that option. I just looked up Ami Creations to try to find some pricing. I found him on some forums and I found one where he posts details about how he functions and his pricing.

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Custom made logos and lettering
Plexiglas Windows
Aero ports
3" 4" and 6" Available
Custom lighting
LED and Neon Available
Let'* say I wanted to get a plexiglass window. Would that mess around with tthe integrity of the box and how the subs function? That may be a stupid question. :/. Hopefully I can get his number and give him a call to get a quote.
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Inside of the box will be resined to help increase SPL and lower box resonance
One coat--------------------------------$20
Two coats-------------------------------$35
Is that worth it? If so, one or two coats?
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Let'* say I wanted to get a plexiglass window. Would that mess around with tthe integrity of the box and how the subs function? Hopefully I can get his number and give him a call to get a quote.
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Is that worth it? If so, one or two coats?
It will do what he'* claiming, but, a gallon of resin is between $30-$40....I not only coated my box twice but also used it to form my 45'* and still have half a gallon left over. So from a purely monetary standpoint, not worth it. But not only will it help to increase spl by allowing the air to escape quicker due to the decrease in surface friction aka smoother surface, it'll also decrease resonance like he said and ensure your box is completely sealed and leak free. So from that standpoint, very worth it.
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