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Old 02-07-2011, 05:58 PM   #41
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You have a point. I hope he'd be alright with building me a box. This build went from being simple to being a bit more advanced. Not complaining at all. I'm actually happy you opened my eyes and showed me the Sundowns. Thank you for that.
The world of car audio outside of local retail brands is pretty large. People who are serious about car audio don't even bother with the likes of Kicker, Kenwood, Sony and Rockford Fosgate. There are so many absolutely amazing audiophile brands that you've never heard of that would make you realize real quick that money is MUCH better spent not on a name brand, but on a small business that is serious about sound. Sundown, RE, Fi, eD, ID, DD, Focal, and more than I can't even remember at this point put any retail brands to shame.
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The world of car audio outside of local retail brands is pretty large. People who are serious about car audio don't even bother with the likes of Kicker, Kenwood, Sony and Rockford Fosgate. There are so many absolutely amazing audiophile brands that you've never heard of that would make you realize real quick that money is MUCH better spent not on a name brand, but on a small business that is serious about sound. Sundown, RE, Fi, eD, ID, DD, Focal, and more than I can't even remember at this point put any retail brands to shame.
I knew of those companies previously. Especially Sundown, RE, Fi and DD. I was going to order components from Sundown a while back but never did, RE I've seen around forums, Fi I almost ordered an 18 inch BTL for my truck and DD I see everywhere. lol. I was just going with the kickers because of the fact that I could get 2 for $170 and get an amp for less than $300 to push them. I'm afraid to see the amp I'd need to push 2 of the Sundown'*.
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Keep in mind subs also have different sensitivities. Example, my ID subs will produce good sound with as little as 50w. They're very musical and although they're rated for 250W each, they will sound excellent with very little power. Some subs need a lot of power just to make any noise at all.
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Keep in mind subs also have different sensitivities. Example, my ID subs will produce good sound with as little as 50w. They're very musical and although they're rated for 250W each, they will sound excellent with very little power. Some subs need a lot of power just to make any noise at all.
That I also knew. haha. With me, I love the rattle and the deafening bass. I have no idea. I guess I'm just at that stage?
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I am now running the same subs as a temporary setup but the Aluminized CVR'* on a Soundstream XTA600.2 (600w rms) bridged at 4 ohms and it hits my charging system just a little. not bad at all when at full tilt, u will be fine
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yup i miss my 15" Fi Q... quiet embarrassing to be running 12" Kicker CVR'* now :(
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That I also knew. haha. With me, I love the rattle and the deafening bass. I have no idea. I guess I'm just at that stage?
You'll grow out of it. Its a stage and nothing more. You'll soon realize that there'* more to music than just deafening bass. Might as well get rid of your stereo speakers and put in a 1980'* boombox in the passenger seat and hook up the sub to it. Don't get me wrong I enjoyed my 15" sub and the sheer loudness, but it got old after about a year when I discovered I couldn't enjoy my finer music and some of the rock songs I love because the bass was too uncontrolled.
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I need you to keep something very clear in mind. Wattage ratings will vary between companies and are a very inaccurate way to compare subs. MyMontels on here who has been giving you flawless advice just bought a Digital Designs sub for $300+ and its only rated for 500W, yet you can give it over 1000W on a daily basis and it will take it without a problem, and people know this. These Sundown subs are a similar situation. They are heavily underrated, whereas those Kicker subs are OVER rated. Last I remember MyMontels had two of these SA-12'* in his car and the side body panels in his trunk were flexing like mad. There'* a video here somewhere. These subs take an enormous amount of power and have extremely high output levels.
Actually, my DD 2512 is rated at 750rms, but i'm giving it 1500rms As for the Sundowns, hellafied subs!!! Those are rated at 600rms, I was giving them about 1600rms for the pair and they took it like champs! Laughed at it, actually. Never any coil smell, cones hardly ever got warm, and when they did it was ever so slightly warm. Don't get it twisted, I beat on them nicely, i'm not one of those guys that babies his subs.

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Yep, he did have the SA-12'*. I found the thread with his video. This should convince you.

https://www.gmforum.com/showthread.p...hlight=sundown
Can't wait to get a video up of my DD puttin' in work. I think you guys will be surprised at what a single 12 can do.

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oh damn. I may be sold. . Thank you SIR. You saved me a few dollars. I wonder how much the amp would be for 2 though
Expect to spend at least $250, and up to about $600. An AudioQue AQ1200 would be a very nice amp for them. You'll be giving them at least rms power and a little more if your voltage is on point and it won't break the bank at $249 shipped. The extreme would be a 2000 watt amp on them, in which case an AudioQue AQ2200 would fit the bill, and at $389 shipped it'* one that'* hard to beat. I personally have a Sundown SAZ-1500D, these go for $525.

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From thread, he says he has a prefab box. I don't really want to start with one because then I'd have to buy another amp when adding the second one. What kind of amp am I looking for. I don't really know how to look for an amp :/
Yeah it was a prefab, a pretty nice prefab actually, but believe it or not it didn't allow the Sundowns to shine. Being that I was giving them about 200rms more than what they're rated for I should have used a smaller box. That being said, I'm gonna be starting a box build this week for the Sundowns. It'* gonna be a 3 cu.ft. box tuned to 33Hz......my expectations are gonna be much higher this time around.

I like how you're thinking, I agree 100%. However, it'* not necessarily true. Follow me.....If you get, for example, a Sundown SAZ-1500D and a single SA-12 D4, you can wire that sub down to 2 ohms and the amp will put out about 800rms @ 2 ohms. Then you can get another D4 sub later on and wire both of them together to a 1 ohm load and that same amp will now put out 1500+rms of clean power. That is the exact scenario I would recommend to you, although you don't have to spring for the SAZ-1500, I just used that as an example to show you that you won't necessarily have to buy a different amp when you added the second sub. But if you plan on getting 2 subs, D4 is the way to go. So what you need to look for in an amp is what power it'll put out at 2 ohms (for your single sub setup) and what it'll put out at 1 ohm (for your dual sub setup), look for an amp that'll do at least 600rms @ 2 ohms and at least 1200rms @ 1 ohm.

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You don't want to overpower your sub too heavily either. Wait for MonteLS to chime in. He has a prefab box in that video, but he also mentions that its one of the only decent prefab boxes you can buy, and that its rare to find a well built prefab box.
It is possible to overpower those subs, but it'* gonna take alot of power to do so. I know people giving them upwards of 1200rms each daily with no problems. Yeah, that box was one of if not the best prefabs I've ever seen/heard. You guys seen my videos, you see how it performed. But it was a little on the big side for the Sundowns at 4 cubes, i'm getting ready to build a custom box for them, 3 cubes tuned to 33Hz. Should sound great!

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I looked up the same box he has and didn't get a price. I was going to call them later on to see how much it would be. I personally would like to have a custom box built. I really wish someone here knew how to though. :/. Shops around here charge anywhere between $100-$250. :/
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I'm sure he would be more than willing to build you a box and ship it out. $100-$250 is right on the money for a good built box. You have to realize that this stuff isn't cheap. To build a GOOD box, you need 3/4" MDF ($26 a sheet), strong wood glue ($5), carpeting ($10), fiberglass resin ($10), 3m adhesive spray ($5), and you also have the option to use screws to hold it all together. Granted, screws aren't really that necessary since the MDF usually fails before the glue does, but its an option and at minimum, you can use them to hold the wood together while the glue dries, at which point you can remove the screws and fill up the holes with wood filler. After all is said and done you're looking at ~$60 after tax in materials, and people don't work for free. Add shipping for a box that size, and you start to realize why they cost so much.
I can do it, sure, but I think AMI Creations would be a far better option. And cheaper too!

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You have a point. I hope he'd be alright with building me a box. This build went from being simple to being a bit more advanced. Not complaining at all. I'm actually happy you opened my eyes and showed me the Sundowns. Thank you for that.
It may cost you a little more than you expected to spend, but it'll sound way better than those CVR'* that'* for sure!
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Wow. That was a lot to take in. Thank you for the responses. I am serious about this build. When I get back from Florida is when I'll be ordering my first Sundown. Reason being is because the CVR'* were supposed to be a Christmas present that I never received. So instead of them, I'll substitute them with one of the Sundowns. So you're saying that the AudioQue AQ2200 would be a nice matchup to run both of them? $389 isn't too bad considering it'* pushing both of them. Would this amp underpower them? I kinda want to get the most out of them. lol. The first sub will be ordered hopefully by Monday. And the second one will probably be ordered by the following week. The amp might take a little more time but I will definitely be getting that AudioQue AQ2200 if it'* a good match up. You've been a great help so far and I appreciate it.
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Hmmm. If the amp just has enough power to push them, is there another one that I can get that will push them harder without destroying them? The subs have 600 RMS each, combined is 1200 RMS *I did the math myself. haha*. You said you're giving yours 1500 daily. 1200 RMS hmmm. Is there anything you can compare that too? You already know what I'm looking for. haha. Is there a way I can feed them 1400 watts and not damage them? They're a bit expensive for me to replace for my situation...I'm only 20. haha. Is it a good idea to do that or no? I don't want to risk anything.
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