Got my alarm in the mail today:
#81
Senior Member
True Car Nut
Originally Posted by jachin
Something has gone seriously wrong with this alarm instalation. After i hooked up the wires for my headlights, my door pin trigger switch and my tach speed sensor, my car keeps cutting power to itself and it wont start at all.
I never plugged any of the harnesses into the control unit. I am thinking that when i hooked it up to my icm, the wire running from the icm to the dash that i used was enough to ground it out and fry the icm and possibly the ecm.
It was 18 gauge and i thought it would be ok as long as i didnt plug it in.
I'm taking the alarm off today and checking every fuse, if the fuses are all good and the car still doesnt start, im taking it to a diagnostic center. Does anyone have anything else this could be?
For example, can your remote starter start the engine? Can _you_ start the engine using your key? If it won't start, do you get the three-minute Security light on the dash? What is still working, and what is _supposed_ to be working but isn't? Take it systematically. Probably the touchiest part of the installation is going to be the VATS system: if the VATS bypass box (controlled by your remote starter) doesn't provide the right resistance to the car'* VATS controller via the white wires behind the dash (the ones enclosed in the orange sleeve), the car will refuse to crank over, and give you the solidly-lit (not blinking) Security light as a result.
#82
Senior Member
Posts like a Corvette
Thread Starter
Ok i disconnected the whole alarm and all of the fuses in the car are good. What i meant by its cutting power is that the car will suddenly lose power and just die, the gauges shut and its hard to stear or push and the brakes are stiff. It seemed to do this at random and i couldnt narrow down a specific cause. I would have to disconnect the battery to get power back to everything and it would do it again. After uninstalling all of the alarm it has quit doing this, however it still wont start. Right now my battery is dead because i tried cranking it over so many times while this problem occured. ICM stands for Ignition Control Module, its the thing that your coil pack sits on and i taped into the wire that i was instructed to in a previous page of this post. I am going to try to get a hold of a battery charger and go from there. IT might be a bad coincedence that the problem started while i was installing this alarm or it might be related, right now i just dont know. I never cut any wires, i only spliced into them. I never completely installed the alarm or tested it. I can turn the key but right now like i said my battery is dead, and since things have changed i want to try again to see what kind of symptoms it will have, or if it will start right up or what.
#83
Senior Member
True Car Nut
Originally Posted by jachin
Ok i disconnected the whole alarm and all of the fuses in the car are good. What i meant by its cutting power is that the car will suddenly lose power and just die, the gauges shut and its hard to stear or push and the brakes are stiff.
Say, is a fuel-pump cutout part of the alarm package? If so, maybe that thing is triggering for some reason while you're driving. Aside from the fuel pump, is there any other alarm-related connection you made that'* supposed to disable the car?
It seemed to do this at random and i couldnt narrow down a specific cause.
I would have to disconnect the battery to get power back to everything and it would do it again.
After uninstalling all of the alarm it has quit doing this, however it still wont start.
If the car is still screwed up even after you've disconnected the red power leads, then unfortunately you may have shorted together some wires that aren't supposed to be connected.
Beyond hooking up your alarm wires to the car'* wiring harness, is there any disassembly that you did that might have something to do with the problems you're having now? i.e. Did you ever actually _remove_ components like the ignition switch, coil pack, battery cables (aside from the battery itself) or ECM?
In the absence of any more details I'm kind of stumped here. Any BonnevilleClub members near you that can help?
#84
Senior Member
Posts like a Corvette
Thread Starter
First off i want to make sure that you know that during the installation, i never pluged any of the harnesses into the control box for the alarm, and i never finished the installation, or tested it. as soon as i noticed this problem, i disconnected everything. WHen it would cut power, i would disconnect the negative battery terminal waited 2 or 3 minutes and then i pluged it back in and everything would work again for a minute and then it would do it again. I forgot to add that it would cut power when i put my key in the ignition and clicked it forward, but once again after i disconnected everything, it stoped doing it. What i meant by uninstalling the alarm is that i unspliced all the wires and taped over them. Aside from the alarm itself, i never disconnected anything. I never took off the coils, the ecm or anything like that. IM sorry if im not giving enough details, but i dont entirely understand whats going on either
#85
Senior Member
True Car Nut
Originally Posted by jachin
First off i want to make sure that you know that during the installation, i never pluged any of the harnesses into the control box for the alarm, and i never finished the installation, or tested it.
When it would cut power, I would disconnect the negative battery terminal, waited 2 or 3 minutes and then I pluged it back in and everything would work again for a minute and then it would do it again. I forgot to add that it would cut power when i put my key in the ignition and clicked it forward, but once again after i disconnected everything, it stoped doing it.
I'm thinking here that you've got a fundamental problem with one of those wires you're tapping into at the ignition switch, but probably not anything further down the line like power locks, trunk release, exterior lamps or whatever.
Let'* go back to first principles. You've only got a few large wires to connect there. To review: you've got:
-- two red power leads to tap into that will provide the power to your control box as well as the power supply for things like popping the trunk and flashing the lights
-- a pink wire to tap into to provide power to the ignition (Engine Run)
-- an orange wire to tap into to provide power to the high-drain accessories like the heater/A/C blower
-- a light-yellow wire to tap into to provide power to the starter (Starter Crank)
You also need to install a VATS bypass so that the VATS module sees the correct resistance in those little white wires that go to the ignition key, so it thinks the correct key is in the ignition and will allow the car to start.
That'* all you should need in order to start the car remotely. Once you've got that part _working_, you can then move on to add in the alarm and aftermarket security features that are supposed to _block_ things from working, if your alarm system thinks that someone is trying to steal the car. Are you with me so far?
You're going to need to retrace your steps, unfortunately. I wouldn't recommend bailing out and having some diagnostic place try to figure this out, since (1) my understanding is that when you remove your connections, the car works anyway, and (2) even though you're getting pretty bummed out about this, you're still a lot more familiar with the wiring of your car than an average repair place will be, unless you're taking it to an electrical specialist at a GM dealer.
A third alternative you haven't mentioned is to take it to an alarm installation place and let them take over. I suspect that if they're willing to install your system rather than one of their own (some places won't, so don't be surprised if they refuse), they should have it figured out pretty soon.
#86
Senior Member
Posts like a Corvette
Thread Starter
yes you are correct in that when i disconnected, whatever was making it cut power quit doing it, unfortunately, the battery was also dead. I charged the batery tonight and tried starting it. it would turn over for a little bit but not start, so i left it alone and went in. Later i went back out and tried again and now all i get is a grinding sound for a split second, then nothing when i try to start it. the grindin sound is really sudden, it only lasts for a second at the most then it quits and nothing happens at all no turning over, nothing. When i get out of the car, the securtiy light will stay on for 30 seconds then quit. I never taped into vats, i never connected anything on that harness or the 3 wire harness for the door locks. Aside from those 2 everything else aside from the brake light wire was connected. Could this be the starter or the alt? i know the battery is good, i used a tester on it even. What should i start doing to test everything? Also when i started it for the first time about a week back after i connected those few wires that started it all, i smelt something burnt and then it started cutting power. I should also add that i did stuff the wires up under the dash before i started it then.
#87
Senior Member
True Car Nut
Originally Posted by jachin
yes you are correct in that when i disconnected, whatever was making it cut power quit doing it, unfortunately, the battery was also dead. I charged the batery tonight and tried starting it. it would turn over for a little bit but not start, so i left it alone and went in. Later i went back out and tried again and now all i get is a grinding sound for a split second, then nothing when i try to start it. the grindin sound is really sudden, it only lasts for a second at the most then it quits and nothing happens at all no turning over, nothing.
In hindsight I think you've mainly got a dead battery here... Make sure it, or whatever other battery you can get your hands on, is fully charged before putting it back in the car.
When i get out of the car, the securtiy light will stay on for 30 seconds then quit.
I never taped into vats, i never connected anything on that harness or the 3 wire harness for the door locks. Aside from those 2 everything else aside from the brake light wire was connected.
Could this be the starter or the alt? i know the battery is good, i used a tester on it even.
What should i start doing to test everything?
Also when i started it for the first time about a week back after i connected those few wires that started it all, i smelt something burnt and then it started cutting power.
If you can, get under the dash with a test probe and verify that, with the car off, you have power in the red wires but _not_ in the pink, orange or (God forbid) light-yellow wires. Then turn on the ignition (without cranking the starter or starting the engine) and verify that you do have voltage in the pink and orange wires. If either of those are shorted to ground, you should measure no voltage in the shorted wire (and it'll probably be getting hot, too). I don't think any other wires should be affected at this point.
I should also add that i did stuff the wires up under the dash before i started it then.
#88
Senior Member
Posts like a Corvette
Thread Starter
Sorry i havent been keeping you all updated, this alarm thing has turned into a real PITA. Anyway, i got the car in the shop about 2 weeks ago and now its fixed. I know there was a short somewhere, but im not really sure what it was, i didnt ask. The guy also says that he didnt think it was related to the alarm installation. IM not really sure what im going to do now, ive asked a few shops if they would install it and most said no. There is pretty much only one shop in town that would likely do it, and they are also the most expensive. Im thinking aobut trying this again, can anyone who has installed this specific alarm before confirm that the page that has all of the connections on it is absoluetely correct and there isnt anything overlooked. thanx
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
Mike
General GM Chat
30
11-17-2006 05:56 PM