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Old 04-26-2004, 11:18 PM   #41
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ok im going to try to add that relay tomorow. I need to know where to connect the following wires.

The positive safety shut down switch input for the brake switch.
That'll connect to the wire leading from your brake light switch, a plunger switch mounted over your brake pedal, the wire that goes hot only when you press in the brake pedal. That should be... um... hang on while I get the manual...

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No, really, it'* here somewhere, wait a minute...

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Okay, I got it here... it'* light blue. You should find an orange always-hot wire going into the brake lamp switch, paired with a light-blue wire coming out. (Ignore any other switches or connectors on the brake pedal; those are for your cruise control.) Your safety shutdown wire should tap the light-blue wire, so it detects when you're stepping on the brake.

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I need to know which wire is positive and which is negative for the neutral safety switch and where the switch is.
The Park/Neutral Position Switch, as it'* called, is on the left-hand side of the engine on top of the transaxle. It'* attached by two screws, and has a largish umbilical cord of wiring conduit attached to it. From what I can see of the wiring diagrams, its input from the Starter Enable relay is yellow, and its output (when in Park) is purple, the wire that goes to the starter solenoid. They're not really positive or negative; they just go +12V hot when they're activated.

Having said all that, I'm not sure why you'd need to connect anything to these; can you explain? Maybe there'* a better place to tap into, depending on what it is you need to monitor here.

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I need to know where to connect the instant trigger ground
Sorry, I don't know what the "instant trigger" is, but if all you need is a ground connection, any piece of metal under the dash should be fine. Use your test light to be sure.

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I need to know where to connect the instant start and turn off input.
Again, a little more detail needed here. Can you quote what your installation manual is telling you to do for these? Even if you're finding the instructions tough to follow, if you can quote them here, we can probably sort them out.

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I think thats about it for now. thanx
Good luck. How far along are you now?
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Old 04-27-2004, 12:06 AM   #42
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i was wrong, it only has one input for the nuetral safety switch and it is negative. According to the manual i might not even need it and the only way to find out is if it fails a test that should be run afte the installation is complete. From what it says i will most likely wont have to connect this wire. It says that when the wire is grounded, the unit is operable but when the wire is open from ground the remote start is not operable. it says something about installing a switch, but im not worried about shutting it down and my valet switch will likely do that anyway.

and for the instat start and turn off input it says " this wire activates and turns off the remote starter each time it sees a momentary ground signal normally only used for testing during installation or when activating module from an aftermarket system"

I have no clue on that one.

Also what do i do with the diesel wait to start wire. do i just leave it disconnected or what
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Positive safety input is the brake wire
Negative safety input is a hood pin switch
Both are required

Neutral safety switch wire-permanently ground it
Instant trigger input-do nothing with it unless you have some other method of activating the starter such as the temp sensor. Something like this http://www.crimestopper.com/techweb/...nstruction.pdf
Diesel wait to start-do nothing with it unless you have installed a diesel motor in your Bonne.
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i was wrong, it only has one input for the nuetral safety switch and it is negative. According to the manual i might not even need it and the only way to find out is if it fails a test that should be run afte the installation is complete. From what it says i will most likely wont have to connect this wire. It says that when the wire is grounded, the unit is operable but when the wire is open from ground the remote start is not operable.
If that'* true, you're going to need to ground that wire; if the box doesn't find a ground path on it, it won't operate, from what you're telling us.

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it says something about installing a switch, but im not worried about shutting it down and my valet switch will likely do that anyway.
It sounds like the idea is that you can put a hidden switch on that circuit, like a lockout switch to prevent the system from operating even if the transmitter is pressed.

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and for the instat start and turn off input it says " this wire activates and turns off the remote starter each time it sees a momentary ground signal normally only used for testing during installation or when activating module from an aftermarket system"
Not sure about that "testing during installation" reference, but I suspect this might be for piggybacking onto an existing remote-control system, to trigger a remote starter by sending a command via a different device instead of your system'* own transmitter.

For example, BulldogSecurity units (and probably other brands as well) often include a wire that monitors power-lock activity in the car. If it detects three lock pulses within some short amount of time, it'll trigger a remote start, so in other words, you can operate the remote starter using the original Pontiac keyless-entry transmitter.

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Also what do i do with the diesel wait to start wire. do i just leave it disconnected or what
I can't think of anything useful to do with that one. Just make sure you know whether you're supposed to ground it, or simply tape it off and forget about it. My guess is that you should tape it off for now. You don't want to snip it off, then discover later that you were supposed to ground it instead. (Jeez, you'd think the directions should at least be able to explain _this_ thing clearly... )
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This is the closest manual I could find. Jachin & Joe, take a look at it and tell me if it is similar enough to the 850 to help. PDF format 1.4M:

http://www.geocities.com/autotronics...tallmanual.pdf

Right click>Save Target As then open after download
This way Andy and I can see exactly what wires you are referring to.
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Link doesnt work
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Sorry, I had to edit. Added instructions to save first then download. Geocities has issues.
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Sorry, I had to edit. Added instructions to save first then download. Geocities has issues.
I'll say...

Can you just download the installation manual from the manufacturer'* website? (Where _is_ the manufacturer'* website, anyway? It doesn't appear to be http://www.autopage.com from what I can see.)
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Sorry, I had to edit. Added instructions to save first then download. Geocities has issues.
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Can you just download the installation manual from the manufacturer'* website? (Where _is_ the manufacturer'* website, anyway? It doesn't appear to be http://www.autopage.com from what I can see.)
No. They have no online manuals and when you call them you get "the person you are calling is out today" or similar recording. The actual website for the manufacturer is www.autopageusa.com
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No. They have no online manuals and when you call them you get "the person you are calling is out today" or similar recording. The actual website for the manufacturer is www.autopageusa.com
Gawd, that'* pathetic. Dated 1999, hasn't even been proofread, recommends Internet Explorer v4.5 (Har!), has no documentation available on-line...
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