Car not starting after repair - GM Forum - Buick, Cadillac, Chev, Olds, GMC & Pontiac chat


1992-1999 Series I L27 (1992-1994 SE,SLE, SSE) & Series II L36 (1995-1999 SE, SSE, SLE) and common problems for the Series I and II L67 (all supercharged models 92-99) Including Olds 88's, Olds LSS's and Buick Lesabres Please use General Chat for non-mechanical issues, and Performance and Brainstorming for improvements.

Reply
 
 
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 11-04-2009, 09:16 PM   #1
Senior Member
Posts like a Turbo
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 363
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
kparrent is on a distinguished road
Default Car not starting after repair

I replaced my lower and upper intake manifold gaskets, and just got everything back together. I have headlights, radio, etc., so there is power. When I turn the key, I get one hesitation, the lights dim, and then nothing. No starter clicking or anything. The battery gauge showed it being right around 12 V, which should be enough to get some mild clicking even if it were low. It has a brand new battery, starter, and alternator.

The alternator is rigged up right now because the plastic connector broke. GM uses a 4 pin connection but the alternator only actually uses one of those pins. It is possible I connected it to the wrong pin, but even if I did would this prevent any clicking at all? This would be the power going to the alternator. A car should be able to start if the battery has enough juice even without an alternator installed (and then die quickly). The only reason I could see this affecting it is if for some reason it'* a bad ground. Can anyone verify which pin the alternator uses? I am using the third from the left (the one next to the bigger pin I believe).

Do the wires going into the ICM have to be in a specific order? I'm fairly positive they are the same as when I removed them, but there'* a small chance one got switched. The ones coming from the rear rotate every other with the ones from the front, with the rear starting on the top pin.

If I hold the key in the start position, I sometimes hear a faint whine, but only every couple of tries.

ALSO, I lost the keys during the repair process so I had to have the dealer make new door and ignition keys from scratch. I'm assuming the key is correct since it fits and turns. However, if the codes were wrong with this be a possible cause? They had to look them up by VIN. It'* much more likely that I forgot to reconnect something somewhere along the way.

Very open to troubleshooting suggestions.
kparrent is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-04-2009, 09:23 PM   #2
Senior Member
Posts like a Supercharger
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Zelienople, Pennsylvania
Posts: 166
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
White93z34 is on a distinguished road
Default

the security lamp is not flashing while you turn the key to start is it?

I'd almost wager the battery is run down or tired, I would load test it and go from there.
White93z34 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-04-2009, 10:34 PM   #3
Senior Member
True Car Nut
 
Black Pearl's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: STC, MN
Posts: 3,301
Thanks: 0
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
Black Pearl is on a distinguished road
Default

It sounds like your car could be in security lockout. I'm not 100% sure. I'll PM Danthurs and see if he can help
Black Pearl is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-05-2009, 12:27 AM   #4
Retired Senior Admin

Expert Gearhead
 
Danthurs's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Sheboygan Wisconsin
Posts: 29,661
Thanks: 0
Thanked 16 Times in 13 Posts
Danthurs is a name known to allDanthurs is a name known to allDanthurs is a name known to allDanthurs is a name known to allDanthurs is a name known to allDanthurs is a name known to all
Default

I would start with cleaning both ends of both battery cables. Sounds a lot like corrosion.
Danthurs is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-05-2009, 04:16 AM   #5
Senior Member
Posts like a Turbo
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 363
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
kparrent is on a distinguished road
Default

The security light is lit when the key is turned, but that is typical from what I remember. Like I said, the voltmeter showed ~12 V. This should be enough for some clicks I would think. The headlights are still on very strong. But, the thought did cross my mind as well. I'll give it a charge tomorrow and see what happens.
kparrent is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-05-2009, 07:56 AM   #6
DINOSAURUS BOOSTUS

Expert Gearhead
 
BillBoost37's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Enfield, CT
Posts: 41,391
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
BillBoost37 is a glorious beacon of lightBillBoost37 is a glorious beacon of lightBillBoost37 is a glorious beacon of lightBillBoost37 is a glorious beacon of lightBillBoost37 is a glorious beacon of lightBillBoost37 is a glorious beacon of light
Default

I'm with Dan on the battery corrosion/cables. Your headlights etc will be bright and have a no start.

Thinking of the repairs you did.. that would be the likely thing that was touched and could cause the no start. Another might be coolant in the cylinders, however you'd get a click with that.
BillBoost37 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-05-2009, 02:40 PM   #7
Senior Member
Posts like a Turbo
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 363
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
kparrent is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by BillBoost37 View Post
I'm with Dan on the battery corrosion/cables. Your headlights etc will be bright and have a no start.

Thinking of the repairs you did.. that would be the likely thing that was touched and could cause the no start. Another might be coolant in the cylinders, however you'd get a click with that.
There is coolant in the overflow tank, but of course there will not be any in the cylinders until the car starts and cycles it through. The battery posts going into the battery itself are both brand new, so there is no corrosion there. I tried to clean most connections as I went because it was all oily due to the bad gaskets. What parts should I be checking the connections on specifically? Alternator would not prevent clicking, the starter was untouched. ICM? Bad ground somewhere?

(Still have not had a chance to try jumping it, purely speculation)
kparrent is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-05-2009, 03:50 PM   #8
Senior Member

True Car Nut
 
2kg4u's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Windsor, Ontario / Detroit, Michigan
Posts: 4,804
Thanked 220 Times in 181 Posts
2kg4u has much to be proud of2kg4u has much to be proud of2kg4u has much to be proud of2kg4u has much to be proud of2kg4u has much to be proud of2kg4u has much to be proud of2kg4u has much to be proud of2kg4u has much to be proud of2kg4u has much to be proud of
Default

Check to see if you are getting voltage to the starter when the key is turned to start. If you are getting voltage to the starter, pull the starter and have it tested.
2kg4u is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-05-2009, 03:57 PM   #9
DINOSAURUS BOOSTUS

Expert Gearhead
 
BillBoost37's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Enfield, CT
Posts: 41,391
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
BillBoost37 is a glorious beacon of lightBillBoost37 is a glorious beacon of lightBillBoost37 is a glorious beacon of lightBillBoost37 is a glorious beacon of lightBillBoost37 is a glorious beacon of lightBillBoost37 is a glorious beacon of light
Default

Understanding that the battery was new and clean. Did you happen to look at the cable ends where they connect to the battery? Corrosion is common on the cable ends, and has been found to hide under the cable boots and cable sheath.

While unlikel...I tossed the coolant in the cylinder out there because it can happen.
As part of doing the LIM gaskets, the LIM contains some coolant (even after system is drained). As we lift the LIM off the engine, it is possible to have some coolant go into the head and enter the cylinder through an open valve. the valve would be open based on when the engine stopped.

Really can't think of anything else that should keep the car from turning over. You could check the voltage at the starter, ground at the engine block and then test the starter soleniod wire for power when the key is turned to start.
BillBoost37 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-05-2009, 07:24 PM   #10
Senior Member
Posts like a Turbo
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 363
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
kparrent is on a distinguished road
Default

I tried jumping the battery and it charged up to ~13 V and still same issue. The starter was just put in this month. I would be very surprised if it were bad, but I will check the voltage. I do hear a whining though when I hold the key, as if the shimming is off. However, seeing as how it has been working until now, it'* not possible the shimming is incorrect. Could it be something with the drive belt? I will check the voltage going to the starter when I get a chance.
kparrent is offline   Reply With Quote
 
 
Reply

Related Topics
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
intermittent weird starting/not starting.... HELP!! jaye22 Everything Electrical & Electronic 15 04-14-2017 08:10 PM
battery dies after 2 days of not starting.? im lost 88bonnsse Everything Electrical & Electronic 11 09-16-2007 12:11 PM
Car stalled while driving, problems starting after that. MAVSSEi 2000-2005 12 03-05-2007 06:10 PM
Self Repair vs Auto Repair SHop? Car still at Casino.... nat1ve 1992-1999 2 08-27-2006 04:53 PM
Car has trouble starting after shutting off for a few minute Mazee 1992-1999 1 05-16-2005 09:17 PM


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 02:41 AM.


We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites.