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Old 09-04-2007, 06:46 PM   #11
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'Great Mod' - Robert Ponti, '00 SSEi

'Great so far' - Christian VanFassen, '01 SSEi

'Significant difference. More gas mileage! Great tech help!' - Robert Sylvester Sr., '01 SSEi

'Just plain awesome! The difference over the stock PCM is night and day' - Jeff Bonk, '01 SSEi

'Nothing but love for the INTENSE PCM. I think is the perfect balance for saftey and power for my mods. We turned off torque management for everything except the shifts. We did reduce the timing pull by half during those shifts though. The shifts are about perfect. Not to strong but definately hard enough to let you know your moving. Unfortunately now that its perfect, i may be moving on to a stage 1 PCM as soon as i put the 1x cam in' - Todd Allen, '00 SSEi

'I noticed right away the extra snap in the tranny but kept it civil around town. On the highway I opened her up a little and liked the quick punch in acceleration and the higher shift points. Hats of to the INTENSE Racing Team for a superb job and providing a top quality product.'- O'Neil Loza, '00 SSEi

'So I just have to say that my new INTENSE PCM is great! Car is running like a beast now. The 6K shifts with the rockers is amazing! Huge difference vs. Stock PCM. The midrange power is quite nice so is non-WOT acceleration. Shifts are nice a crisp, even with the shiftkit, 1-2 is nice and firm.' - Taylor Dus, '01 SSEi

'You guys do excellent work! This made a hell of difference. I love the way it drives and performs!' - Bo Ott, '00 Bonneville SSEi

'About a year ago I had a problem with one of your PCM'*. you rplaced it with no hassle and no cost to me. That is one of the reasons that I continue to use your products.' - Chris Cooper, '00 SSEi

'Works Great!' - Mizzi'* Automotive (Dominic), '00 SSEi

'Very pleased. Shifts are firmer, better throttle response make it fun to drive again.' - Mike Lavins, '00 SSEi

'I love it. Made a huge difference, can't wait to install the smaller pulley.' - Josh Crowe, '00 SSEi

'Noticed the difference on the first ride. Run great and shifts better.' - James Lubiejewski, '00 SSEi

'The Best! The proof is in the results!' Paul Bernardo, '00 SSEi

'Happy so far.' Jared Shelton, '00 Bonneville

'Love It' - Patrick Nolette, '00 SSEi

'Great product with excellent install instructions!!' - Mark Pich, '00 SSEi

'An absolute must for any car' - Michael Wisniewski, '00 SSEi

'It'* great, I can really fell the power now. I have a hard time getting the tires not to spin.' - Ethan Schlottke, '00 SSEi
DHP used to do all of ZZP'* PCMs until they split ways not long ago. ZZP purchased HP Tuners and recently started doing all of their own programming after the split.
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Todd, you are obviously very proud of the INTENSE PCM, and I am a very happy customer with my INTENSE PCM. The higher shift points are amazing, along with the trans snap. I was wondering how often you look at the competitors PCM'*? Do you have the data to compare side by side with ZZP to see exactly what you are doing different from them?
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Todd, you are obviously very proud of the INTENSE PCM, and I am a very happy customer with my INTENSE PCM. The higher shift points are amazing, along with the trans snap. I was wondering how often you look at the competitors PCM'*? Do you have the data to compare side by side with ZZP to see exactly what you are doing different from them?
We have seen ZZP'* PCM'* since they started doing their own. I'd rather not going into code differences as some of it is proprietary information and some of it could be construed as bashing against them.

I will make one comparison:

INTENSE PCM
Stoich Air Fuel = GM Stock setting

ZZP PCM
Stoich Air Fuel = modified (why?)

For those wishing a primer on stoich and air fuel try: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air-fuel_ratio
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rogue would you recomend youre level 1 pcm for my L36 whit my mods
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rogue would you recomend youre level 1 pcm for my L36 whit my mods
Our standard PCM yes, our stage 1 (for cammed cars) no. Feel free to PM or email me with questions. I don't want to stay to far off topic in this thread.
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Save your money and buy a tuner....
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Save your money and buy a tuner....
A tuner is a very nice thing to have but its not the ticket for everyone. Not everyone has a laptop, or not everyone wants to take the time to learn what tables do what or how they affect the cars performance. A lot of novices get in over their heads when they get a tuner.

If you know what you're doing they are great. If you don't or don't want to learn then taking advantage of a vendor'* experience may be the better way to go for some. If people do decide to get a tuner we offer a great starting point in modding with our binary files we can email to people who have HP Tuners.
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I have to agree with Todd on this. For those who are trying to build racing machines and spend their nights studying how to get additional tenths of seconds off their quarter mile times, a tuner is probably best. But for the average modder we see on this site, that would not only be overkill, but a tuner might lead them to change parameters they don't understand and cause more grief than it solves.

Plus, many of us just simply can't be bothered. For us, a plug-n-play PCM is exactly the answer we're looking for.
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Yeah, if you are like me and don't know how to use a tuner you are better off letting the pros handle it. I was having one of my friends help tune one night at the track and he knows what he is doing and we still hit the rev limiter once at about 85MPH. That was a little scary moment. So you could do some real damage to your car if you don't know your stuff.

Like I said, I am always very satisfied with the customer service at Intense and they have great products. Just went a different way on my PCM. Still run plenty of Intense parts. I think which ever way you go you will be happy.
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