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Old 07-27-2005, 01:21 PM   #41
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Leave it to the CGPers to think up of stealing the turbo. It would be easier to steal the whole car.
What is someone going to do? Jack up the car and break out the sawz-all and make a lot of racket? Maybe bring along a portable plasma welder to cut it off?
Yeah, with the turbo in back like that it'* more accesible, but not easy to steal.
lol. yeah. i think some people just want a reason to crap on intense. I mean, do people go around stealing the flowmasters off of someone'* car? do they drop the entire engine and subframe out the bottom of the car while you're in 7-11? there'* a lot of people over there who are very anti-intense (of course, there'* also a lot of people over there who think that intense knows no evil).

bias is always a bad thing when trying to make an informed decision, but it'* pretty well impossible to avoid...
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Very good points on the theft angle!

i would go one further and significantly more common - DUBS!

how many times have you heard about someone stealing a nice set of $2000 rims off a car? not around here - they always take the WHOLE car, usually at gun point and get the rims and whatever else they want at a chop shop.

i might be wrong but most of the theivery i hear about has more to do with "SHOW" than "GO."
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I live in a very good part of Michigan and I know many people that have woke up to find there car on blocks, whole interior gutted, etc. Hell, I drive a van and I know of at least 2 time that people have tried to slim jim my car doors to get the system out.
I really don't see this being a problem but come on it would be quite easy - 4 bolts and 2 snips of the oil lines.

With that being said - I would be worried about mounting a turbo that cost $750-1500 under my car for anyone to mess with. But I'd worry more about the turbo being exposed to all the elements then theft itself.
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Old 07-27-2005, 06:25 PM   #44
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ya'll may want to go on over to club GP and watch the debate on the STS system. Some of it is bashing and some of it is legitimate questioning. My point of this post is that one should consider all angles. Also check the LS1 threads too. It may turn out to be a viable option for our cars. I am concerned about the mufler at inspection time issue.
eh, they're too childish over there. that and far to biased. you have the intense haters, and the intense appologetics. not a good way to find out the truth me thinks

I've been looking around LS1 forums, and I've only been able to find 1 (yes 1) person who wrote his impressions of driving his friends STS system. All the others were written from magazines and such, who'* wording sounded a little too close to the company kool-aid for me to take as 100% truth. anyhew, this guy'* impression was that it was nice, but there was a noticable turbo lag. Which is pretty well what you'd expect, with the turbo mounted that far back.

I still think it'll be a nice power added for those who were looking for something better, but I don't know how 'streetable' the power will be - if it spools around 3500 or so. My L36 right now stays below 3500 prolly 70-80% of the time, so it'* not something I would see a benefit from.

but again, I'm glad there'* another option out there for people to consider.
Regardless of how you may feel about the club GP membership, I merrly stated that one may want to look into, not join thier debate. Now is the time to ask questions. Inrense isn't the issue, the three to four thousand you may wind up spinning is. As for how good this modification is ...... I don't know. There was some question about how well the STS would work over a year ago when myself and others discussed this unit on club Gp. That was long before Intense was in on this thing. And yes there was mistrust of this kit then.

BUT!!!!!!

This may be a viable oprion for our cars. I remain open on this. We both can agree about it being good that we have more options.
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Regardless of how you may feel about the club GP membership, I merrly stated that one may want to look into, not join thier debate. Now is the time to ask questions. Inrense isn't the issue, the three to four thousand you may wind up spinning is. As for how good this modification is ...... I don't know. There was some question about how well the STS would work over a year ago when myself and others discussed this unit on club Gp. That was long before Intense was in on this thing. And yes there was mistrust of this kit then.

BUT!!!!!!

This may be a viable oprion for our cars. I remain open on this. We both can agree about it being good that we have more options.
as a heads up, I have a clubgp membership, because there are things they've done over there that people here haven't. I just get tired of the constant intense vs zzp vs the world debates . In any event, I have some very serious doubts about the sts system as well, though people stealing it is not on my list. and like you, i'm glad that there'* at least an option out there

so it sounds like we're pretty well on the same page
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it says though that the turbo is sized smaller to get rid of most of the lag. Air moves pretty fast through the pipes, its not instantaneous, but pretty close. The benefits of not needing a turbo timer or an intercooler outweigh the downside of a little more lag. This unit will probably be more reliable too because of the lower temperatures when it is in operation.

You will always be looking at lag in the 3000RPM range with a turbo, if you want instant boost get an M90.
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A properly sized turbo will spool well below half of the redline....

the remote mounted turbo idea does work, i've been in quite a number of discussions about it on other boards. But i'm still not convinced at all, that it'* better then one under the hood for performance, it does make it easier though.

Drag racers might not find as many problems for their runs with it, but a road track racer could drop out of the boost more with this style setup then a conventional one.
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I will add to this...my buddy has a STS on his 00 Camaro SS, and its a Bitch to tune, he has been through hell and back to get it tuned properly. He has alot of motor work tho, so that might be a factor too
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The turbo spools fine and does so within 300 rpm (look at the dyno chart). The reason it shows a high spool rpm is because in order to get accurate dyno data we had to wait until later in second gear before we floored it. The turbo makes power, it makes it within 300 rpm of when you step on it, and it holds it even through a gear shift. Unlike a CSC or roots blower your boost does not fall off at the shift (because those are based on rpm).
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A properly sized turbo will spool well below half of the redline....

the remote mounted turbo idea does work, i've been in quite a number of discussions about it on other boards. But i'm still not convinced at all, that it'* better then one under the hood for performance, it does make it easier though.

Drag racers might not find as many problems for their runs with it, but a road track racer could drop out of the boost more with this style setup then a conventional one.
exactly. I've ridden in turbos that had no noticable lag at all ('05 saab 9-5 for one). I've ridden in large turbos on that diesel in the mercedes engine (don't remember what it is, I don't follow merc much...) - that had lag, but it kicked in around 2500 RPM. the idea that a person should expect lag from a turbo until over 3k is nuts... turbos have been spooling much faster than that for a while now.

and like BonneMeMN mentioned - it would be great for track, when you're running up your motor before you let it loose, but in real life situations, you'd be waiting for it to spool more often than not.

I'm glad there'* another option, and I like the idea of not having to be mindful of the turbo when it comes time to shut down the motor, but I don't think it'* going to be a very streetable solution.

time will tell... and who knows. maybe someone will get it set up to work out pretty well in an h bod. it sure would be fun to see...
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