Series II L67/ 6 speed manual conversion (Work resumes! 5-5)
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I will ask Ryan, my tuner, about this. He normally messes with Fieros and that may be a different situation compared with a FWD application such as a Reatta
Frankly, you should ask the people here who have far more experience in exhaust on the 3800 FWD'*.
You will lose exhaust velocity HORRIBLY. We have a 94 SSEi on the Forum right now with 3" exhaust running 2 full seconds slower than he should.
Another 95 SSEi did this 3 years ago and lost his low-end torque.
INTENSE dyno'* more cars than any other performance company PERIOD. And on the Bonneville to-25 list, only a very small portion of the cars are running 3". Those cars are all running quicker than 13.5 on the quarter.
You won't be anywhere close to the power they produce with ported heads and SC. In fact, you'll probably be short of my 93 as well, and I still have 2.5 exhaust. I can also kill my low-end torque by opening my cutout for the launch. I leave it closed, and open it during the run now so that it'* free-flowing at the top end, not the bottom.
You will lose exhaust velocity HORRIBLY. We have a 94 SSEi on the Forum right now with 3" exhaust running 2 full seconds slower than he should.
Another 95 SSEi did this 3 years ago and lost his low-end torque.
INTENSE dyno'* more cars than any other performance company PERIOD. And on the Bonneville to-25 list, only a very small portion of the cars are running 3". Those cars are all running quicker than 13.5 on the quarter.
You won't be anywhere close to the power they produce with ported heads and SC. In fact, you'll probably be short of my 93 as well, and I still have 2.5 exhaust. I can also kill my low-end torque by opening my cutout for the launch. I leave it closed, and open it during the run now so that it'* free-flowing at the top end, not the bottom.
I think what you mean is you want a 3" downpipe. Like everyone says full 3" would kill your torque. I think a 3" downpipe, PEMs or headers, rockers, and a 3.25" pulley would be a killer combo for that car.
Originally Posted by willwren
But NOT a 3" downpipe with the simple mods he listed.
There is A LOT more going on than "Bigger pipe - Less restriction"!
The exhaust system is dealing with pressure pulses, inertia, and velocity (and other things as well). To oversimplify, a 3 inch pipe has WAY TOO MUCH volume for optimum velocity. The inertia of the pressure pulse and its associated low pressure that follows is ONE of the things that assists in EXTRACTING the exhaust out of the cylinders.
This is a DYNAMIC system and can therefore be COUNTER intuitive. You want to set up a pressure pulse moving down the exhaust pipe at high velocity and proper timing with the rest of the system. It is very similar to an acoustic system where the porting and volume are defined specifically for a frequency.
It isn't as simple as you think!
Listen to willwren. He not only knows from other people'* experience, he'* probably tried almost everything himself.
Originally Posted by dillcc
Cat-back, yes. You still need to address the manifolds though. Get PEM'* or headers and a high flow cat.
If he were talking valvetrain changes, then sure.


