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Old 11-22-2004, 02:31 PM   #11
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Would this be part of the big 3? I'm going to go to atleast 2 gauge on all of my mains at some point...
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Old 11-22-2004, 02:44 PM   #12
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I'm curious as to how this ground kit works.. anyone know the fundemantal of it? AS far as I know.. our car ( and most ) isn't grounded.. it'* neutral due to tire contact to the ground. There'* some car with lil metal dinky line that comes in contact to the ground.. but only in stop situation.. this is to dissapate supposedly static discharge. So another thing I'm also wondering is if you had bad ground connection *corroded and such) via a ground wires or whatever from PCM, battery or whatever to your chassis.. that means there'* resistance and less voltage and bla bla bla.. so if you corrected those.. in a sense you never gained HP.. but more or less restored it instead. I'm kinda skeptical as to how this would increase anything.. other then possibly reducing interference to the the stereo equipment.. in a sense.. if I put 12 Volts at 10 amps thru 2 gauge wires and zero gauge wire ground and left the hot/positive @ lets say 4 gauge.. I don't think there will be any difference. anyone got more info so I can read up on this?

Not downing it or anything.. just my 2 cents.. concern.. and Need more info
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Old 11-22-2004, 04:23 PM   #13
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Well, I can't really answer all of that, Murdock. However, what I can answer, is all of our car'* are grounded. The only thing on mine that is "neutral" or connected to the battery, is the fuel system, ECU, and a couple other engine managment crap, like sensors. Everything else is grounded somewhere on the frame/block. Also, I just thought of this. Just because something has contact to the ground with something other than a conductor, doesn't mean it isn't a good conductor. I can ground things on my finger. That makes testing things without a ground very easy.

Some of the wires will have poor contact, cheap connectors, and corrosion on the connections. All of these will lead to more resistance. More resistance comes out to less ability to ground. As some of you may already know, grounding to the engine block, helps increase spark, stabilize spark, and help "increase" power. This is the ONLY thing that will help by that. What other things on a car, that are grounded, will show a difference between medocre ground, and perfect ground? The ECU isn't going to give more fuel because "Oh, look at that, I have .001 more volts, I think I will give the engine 10 more lbs/hr fuel, and raise the boost blow off valve to 15PSI." No, we all know that isn't going to happen. This is all comming down to the grounding on the engine block. If you have this "amazing kit" and you put 5 wires on the block, versus 3 [mine has three, your'* may have more/less], this will help with power. If this kit just allows more current going to the block, this too could help increase power, but, this is ONLY because of the fact with block ground - better spark. The other factor is just poor connection [caused by any of the contributers from this, from corrosion to lose wire] and thus can FIX problems that you already had. An increase in hp/tq will only be a sign of an electrical problem to begin with [if you have a car, chances are, there is an electrial problem].

Well, that was quite the paragraph. Quite a bit ranty, I guess. Hope it all made sense.


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Humm.. I didn't know bout engine block additional ground to help and such.. so in a nutshell.. it really doesn't Increase HP.. but restores it?
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Yes! It only improves upon what you ALREADY have.


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Yes! It only improves upon what you ALREADY have.


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DAMM YOU !!!!

I was going to ground my Type R so it would give me from 20HP decal to 25HP decal.. and run another ground to my Pontiac lite-up 'sign' so I can get anoterh 10 HP more !!!!!!



Jokes.. back on topic..
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Old 11-22-2004, 07:57 PM   #17
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Exactly, you cant make new horsepower but it improves on what you have, we all know power is lost thru various means throughout the car, so any means of improving the movement of electrical power should be beneficial.

Crisper throttle response, better spark, hell, brighter headlights, might be worth it
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If you can find me an example of this "kit," maybe I can tell exactly how much better it is. I know the wires on my car are too small, and not to mention they are from the 80s, and we all know how good things from the 80s are . Anybody have some pics of this kit?


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I've kinda got this already, didn't use 2 gauge but I have battery-Alternator-frame extra grounds, went in with the stereo, performance wise couldn't tell a difference I was more concerned about the sound, also more than week with out car wouldn't really notice. Actually I didn't even know my buddy (installer) did this, told me he likes to do it to all of his customers with full systems.
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Personally I'd rather just braze the stock wires and clean the connections, Then apply a rust inhibiting compound. Oh wait, I did that.
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