Found a cheap cone filter...$10
05-24-2003, 01:55 AM
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Well I dont drive a truck I drive a bonneville and
So why dont you just shut up?
All your doing is trying to prove yourself smarter than everyone else, so why dont you just leave it alone
Until you can answer and explain away the UOA, there is nothing else to say on the subject.
All your doing is trying to prove yourself smarter than everyone else, so why dont you just leave it alone
05-24-2003, 03:11 AM
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Hi
That last post didn't do anything to refute what I said about filtration, but spoke volumns about your frustration over not being able to support your own beliefs.
I will not reply further to this juvenile exhibition, but rest assured...I will link to it in other forums as a classic display of your xenophobic paranoia.
Check this out if you dont know what "refute" means:
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Check this out if you dont know what "xenophobic" means : http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=xenophobic
Check ths out if you dont know what "paranoia" means:
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That last post didn't do anything to refute what I said about filtration, but spoke volumns about your frustration over not being able to support your own beliefs.
I will not reply further to this juvenile exhibition, but rest assured...I will link to it in other forums as a classic display of your xenophobic paranoia.
Check this out if you dont know what "refute" means:
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=refute
Check this out if you dont know what "xenophobic" means : http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=xenophobic
Check ths out if you dont know what "paranoia" means:
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=paranoia
05-24-2003, 11:08 AM
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Enough gentlemen
Its a thread about cone filters not xenophobic paranoia. If it continues I will lock this thread. Please get it back on track.
Its a thread about cone filters not xenophobic paranoia. If it continues I will lock this thread. Please get it back on track.
05-24-2003, 08:25 PM
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And about cone filters, you can use paper filters if you want. Use stage 2 filters, I dont care, but its pointless to try to even discuss this with you because you are always right.
K&Ns do filter very very well, many OEM filters and paper are even being made the same way K&Ns are, with oils and air flow qualities, and they come stock on some very high end vehicles.
Well **** you just keep going on about how you are right even if I do state the evidence at hand, which is obvious and well supported. Some of yours seem to be well supported also but no where on the same level as the evidence that I have provided.
You still continued after you said you would stop, therefore I told you to shut up. I was hoping it would end the incessent need for you to be right and it subsequently did. My frustation lays solely in your actions.
I know what xenophobic means. The way you used it though, I could of thought of a thousand other things to say. You again trying to prove your superior intelligence....in this juvenile exhibition....jeez...
K&Ns do filter very very well, many OEM filters and paper are even being made the same way K&Ns are, with oils and air flow qualities, and they come stock on some very high end vehicles.
Well **** you just keep going on about how you are right even if I do state the evidence at hand, which is obvious and well supported. Some of yours seem to be well supported also but no where on the same level as the evidence that I have provided.
You still continued after you said you would stop, therefore I told you to shut up. I was hoping it would end the incessent need for you to be right and it subsequently did. My frustation lays solely in your actions.
I know what xenophobic means. The way you used it though, I could of thought of a thousand other things to say. You again trying to prove your superior intelligence....in this juvenile exhibition....jeez...
05-24-2003, 09:19 PM
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Hi
You simply recite anecdotal observations and claim them to be gospel.
You do not have evidence, only observations from people who already have a vested interest in the filter succeeding, as they have already made the purchase.
As far as your argument goes, use it if you wish. It does offer superior flow rates..and is the filter of choice for the track. However, if I was a third party concerned with protecting my engine and reading this thread, you offered nothing to refute the factural data. You became emotional, and quite rude I must say. That, young man, is not the mark of a gentleman.
Someday, when your a little older, you'll understand that emotional outbursts seldom further your cause.
You simply recite anecdotal observations and claim them to be gospel.
You do not have evidence, only observations from people who already have a vested interest in the filter succeeding, as they have already made the purchase.
As far as your argument goes, use it if you wish. It does offer superior flow rates..and is the filter of choice for the track. However, if I was a third party concerned with protecting my engine and reading this thread, you offered nothing to refute the factural data. You became emotional, and quite rude I must say. That, young man, is not the mark of a gentleman.
Someday, when your a little older, you'll understand that emotional outbursts seldom further your cause.
05-24-2003, 09:39 PM
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You simply recite anecdotal observations and claim them to be gospel.
You do not have evidence, only observations from people who already have a vested interest in the filter succeeding, as they have already made the purchase.
As far as your argument goes, use it if you wish. It does offer superior flow rates..and is the filter of choice for the track. However, if I was a third party concerned with protecting my engine and reading this thread, you offered nothing to refute the factural data. You became emotional, and quite rude I must say. That, young man, is not the mark of a gentleman.
Someday, when your a little older, you'll understand that emotional outbursts seldom further your cause.
You simply recite anecdotal observations and claim them to be gospel.
You do not have evidence, only observations from people who already have a vested interest in the filter succeeding, as they have already made the purchase.
As far as your argument goes, use it if you wish. It does offer superior flow rates..and is the filter of choice for the track. However, if I was a third party concerned with protecting my engine and reading this thread, you offered nothing to refute the factural data. You became emotional, and quite rude I must say. That, young man, is not the mark of a gentleman.
Someday, when your a little older, you'll understand that emotional outbursts seldom further your cause.
05-24-2003, 10:07 PM
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Being emotional is how politicians, business men, and just about everyone else get to a their high positions.... a old gentleman should know this by his age. It was a means to an end and obviously didnt work.
You can refer me to your internet "experts" all you want, but I have seen the hard numbers provided by independent lab studies and if my K&N filter filters even .5% less than an oem filter (OEM specs are usually 96% K&N typically filter 98.5% to 99.5%) but gives me 8-15% more flow, that is worth it to me. I will NOT believe that .5% more microscopic particles in my engine will damage anything. You are wrong and I do not care if you refer the entire internet to this post.
Oh and the independent labs, such as Ford, USA military to name a few, have no invested interest in whether the K&N'* work or not. They simply wish to know which is best and have proven K&N in that respect. The ones that are actually hired out by K&N to test the filters will get paid regardless of whether or not it filters well.
Everyone: feel free to post and tell how effectively your K&Ns have work on your vehicles. The real world applications are what are important anyway.
And Ight, you are more than welcome to post again, just make sure it has some hard evidence. I will not look at your internet experts... if you do post again and not follow those guidelines I may have another "emotional outburst".
You can refer me to your internet "experts" all you want, but I have seen the hard numbers provided by independent lab studies and if my K&N filter filters even .5% less than an oem filter (OEM specs are usually 96% K&N typically filter 98.5% to 99.5%) but gives me 8-15% more flow, that is worth it to me. I will NOT believe that .5% more microscopic particles in my engine will damage anything. You are wrong and I do not care if you refer the entire internet to this post.
Oh and the independent labs, such as Ford, USA military to name a few, have no invested interest in whether the K&N'* work or not. They simply wish to know which is best and have proven K&N in that respect. The ones that are actually hired out by K&N to test the filters will get paid regardless of whether or not it filters well.
Everyone: feel free to post and tell how effectively your K&Ns have work on your vehicles. The real world applications are what are important anyway.
And Ight, you are more than welcome to post again, just make sure it has some hard evidence. I will not look at your internet experts... if you do post again and not follow those guidelines I may have another "emotional outburst".
05-24-2003, 10:08 PM
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I took out my k&n filters after seeing results of uoas on the oil and filter site. Plus the fact that you can pour sand thru a k&n filter.
Also, the assumption that more airflow is always needed is wrong. If the engine only flows a certain amount of air, when it hits that amount it will flow no more air no matter what kind of air filter is on it.
A study to look at also on what flows best.
http://www.fordmuscle.com/archives/2...rs/index.shtml
Also, the assumption that more airflow is always needed is wrong. If the engine only flows a certain amount of air, when it hits that amount it will flow no more air no matter what kind of air filter is on it.
A study to look at also on what flows best.
http://www.fordmuscle.com/archives/2...rs/index.shtml
05-24-2003, 10:13 PM
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Also, by the way, military uses donaldson air filters, they have a new system out that does not clog and kill the tank till it can be cleaned.
check it out on www.donaldson.com
check it out on www.donaldson.com