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Old 05-19-2003, 02:14 AM   #1
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It costs about $10 bucks...maybe less depending on your location. It has a 3" inlet and im going to go check it out tomorrow and see if I can get it to work with my car.

Obviously wont have the air flow a K&N does, but ya dont have to worry bout the poor filtration either.
The problem with the intake on our bonnies isnt the flow rate through the filter its the lack of air entering the assembly altogether and the poor construction of the accordian type tubing to the TB.

It is a OEM filter for a Prelude and you can pick it up at autozone.

I am thinking I will get some hi temp resistant ducting to attach to the TB and run it down closer to the hood area for cooler air. If it works I will probably create a heat shield out of some aluminum and bend it to a almost half circle and put it underneath it by the engine to shield out the heat. It will cost me less than $20-25 bucks.

Any ideas on this? Should I try to find some 45-60 degree bent aluminum/stainless steel tubing instead of this ducting? And should I try to keep the chamber short or make a longer type intake (to attempt to get colder air)?
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Okay, took a look at what this prelude filter looks like today, and it looks to be about 5-6 inches long and the same shape as a regular cone filter. The STP # is SA6543.

I also found a auto parts store that sells K&N look alikes for $25 bucks and even one with a open top with the cone kinda inverted down inside with a big aluminum heat shield that surrounds it that can be removed. This one seems to have superior air flow.

Also I looked around today and I could get some piping bent but it wouldnt be mandral (I believe a mandral bend could be done with $50 bucks if you find someone who charges reasonablly), so it would have a slight kink in it. But with a NA engine I wouldnt matter that much anyway?

Post any ideas please, and dont diss me because I am not buying a ADTR pipe for $200 bucks.
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This one at O'Reillys costs

about $30 bucks and has a pretty good design, I will probably just get some of that silvery dryer duct stuff and a rubber connection and aim it towards the front end.

Kinda like this
Wish me luck
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The problem with the intake on our bonnies isnt the flow rate through the filter its the lack of air entering the assembly altogether and the poor construction of the accordian type tubing to the TB.

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I will probably just get some of that silvery dryer duct stuff and a rubber connection and aim it towards the front end.

And you are worried that a K&N "might" not work too good if you don't perform the maintainence? :(
I don't have an opinion about whether you buy from Hector or not. That'* your choice. There have been several here that have made their own from PVC or bought elsewhere without a problem. I don't understand why you are so adamant about one thing and so lax about the other.
Do whatever makes your boat float.
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Okay... the silver ducting has 1/16-1/32 inch grooves on the inside when full expanded, when contracted it has little groove at all and it retains its shape without any kinking. I find that this would be superior to the rubber intake hose that has 1/2 inch grooves throughout its entirety.

And my comment about the stock air intake assembly has to do more with the combination of all the factors and not the rubber elbow itself.

And no I am not worried about me not maintencing the K&N filter. I am worried about the lack of filtering that the K&N achieves. Something with that much light shining through it has to be letting significant amounts of dirt into your engine (although I may go with it anyway).

Also I am not lax about anything, it takes me 2 hours to pick out the right toothbrush.
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Default Cone Filter

Kuhl,

Not to rain on the parade, but light shining through the K&N has nothing to do with dirt particles getting into the engine. You can shine light through a piece of plastic and get near 99% transmittance but no dirt particles would get through. Take it from the millions of people who've gone to K&N filters..you can't go wrong. There may be other filters out there that "claim" to be so much better but where are the NUMBERS? I know you're just doing your homework but if you go with the K&N, filtering IS NOT gonna be a problem.

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My research had lead me to believe that the K&N type filters were of lesser quality, filtering wise, and in certain application undoubtly they are, BUT after reviewing several independent tests and information from K&N themselves I have concluded with proper application there would be no harm.

So what does everyone think about my idea with the ducting and ractive heat shielded filter, which is a aluminum flexible ducting? Does it sound like a good idea? Where would be a good place to run it on my bonneville?
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how does that little covering shield it from heat? Doesnt the heated air just travel around the metal and then go in through the top? Since metal is a good conductor of heat wouldnt it be more of a - than a +??? Just make a cheap heat shield instead, there are instructions somwhere on here...
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I think Will has a heat shield project in the works, talk to him.
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Hi

Has anyone that uses K&N, done a used oil analysis to check for high silicon levels?
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