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Old 10-05-2005, 09:20 PM   #51
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does smellbird have stock heads and cam?? because thats what im trying to be, i want to be the fastest Stock cam/stock heads L36.
I think you are trying to find out EXACTLY what I was going to post about this evening.....lol...

Anyway, I'd also like to know what the FASTEST "STOCK" headed and cammed L36 Bonneville is as well....I'm talking nothing but your basic EXTERNAL bolt-ons, no high ratio rockers, ported heads, exhaust or anything like that...As delivered from GM engine with the typical air filter, exhaust, thermostat mods and nothing else...

Is 15.9, like ELMACHOGERACHO'* about right, or is his a little faster, slower, or what???

I also want to know where the "bar" has been set for us naturally aspirated Series II cars...
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If you look back a the older performance topics, go to the absolute last page of this section and just browse around 15.9 quarters seem like the average time L36 people are running with an intake and exhaust.
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I would like to see another slip from Pat as well, as I'm really curious as to how a pretty much stock L27 could pull that. I'm not overly bent, but considering my fairly stripped down 95 L67 with a straight ram air setup and a fresh tune-up pulled high 15.4'* and even 2 15.6'* with high 2.2/low 2.3 60'*.
It would really help by seeing the pics of the other timeslips to calm the nerves of other L27 owners who have done abit of modding and have alot of track time and are still having trouble pull high 15.8'*.

As for Will'* time I can definitely say compared to my PB he is very much where he should be E.T. wise. I would have pulled within .01 I bet if I hadn't miss-shifted and coasted, and then considering the track elevation compared to me (not alot like say Denver, but I'm still about 5-700 feet higher I'd guess).

As for ELMACHOGERACHO, I believe he was looking for best time with the stock cam, heads, no boost, no juice, and that would mean Seth has it.
Even if 95nSTA had a time and it was better (which he will when he is able to get to the track) his time wouldn't count since he has a ZZP cam.
I ran a 15.948 in my old 98 SSE with it very gutted and that was with a 2.467 60'. With a 2.200 60' I'd have been in the 15.5'*, but I didn't so my personal best with a L36 was a 15.948.

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Pat is starting another topic. After speaking with him, it appears his times (not just from the night in question) are all over the map. Whether it'* the car, the driver, or the track timing circuits, we'll figure it out.

Greyhare and I were talking about this at work today. He brought up the recent NHRA event where a race was decided by the fastest ET, yet the video clearly showed the LOSER ahead by a foot or two.

Crazy crap happens.
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http://www.bonnevilleclub.com/forum/...=453480#453480

this is my topic, all comments should be directed there

Lets bring this one Back on topic
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Here are the times of my P.B:
60' - 2.259
330 - 6.440
1/8 - 9.968 @ 71.29
1000 - 12.993
1/4 - 15.522 @ 90.52
Mods at the time were: 1.9:1 Gen 3'*, OR pushrods, LS6 valve springs, CompCam retainers, PEM'*, hi-flow cat, unshielded intake, 235/55 Eagle HP tires chrome 16"wheels.
Did no weight reductions except to remove the spare tire and any misc. junk that was in the car, and removed the front tires of a few pounds of pressure.
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As for ELMACHOGERACHO, I believe he was looking for best time with the stock cam, heads, no boost, no juice, and that would mean Seth has it.

I ran a 15.948 in my old 98 SSE with it very gutted and that was with a 2.467 60'. With a 2.200 60' I'd have been in the 15.5'*, but I didn't so my personal best with a L36 was a 15.948.

Sound off.
You touched on it in your post, but let'* not forget that track "conditions" make all the difference in the world...In several different cars of my own, whether they were nitroused, supercharged, or naturally aspirated, ET'* varied greatly from season to season (Summer to Fall especially), and even track to track...

ANYWAY...so 15.9'* with an untouched, unmodded engine, aside from a t-stat change, is the "norm"??
...15.5'* (Smellbird) with rocker arms, pushrods and springs??

Maybe ELMACHOGERACHO and myself can have a friendly little competition between our 100% stock L36 engined Bonnies??
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As for ELMACHOGERACHO, I believe he was looking for best time with the stock cam, heads, no boost, no juice, and that would mean Seth has it.

I ran a 15.948 in my old 98 SSE with it very gutted and that was with a 2.467 60'. With a 2.200 60' I'd have been in the 15.5'*, but I didn't so my personal best with a L36 was a 15.948.

Sound off.
You touched on it in your post, but let'* not forget that track "conditions" make all the difference in the world...In several different cars of my own, whether they were nitroused, supercharged, or naturally aspirated, ET'* varied greatly from season to season (Summer to Fall especially), and even track to track...

ANYWAY...so 15.9'* with an untouched, unmodded engine, aside from a t-stat change, is the "norm"??
...15.5'* (Smellbird) with rocker arms, pushrods and springs??

Maybe ELMACHOGERACHO and myself can have a friendly little competition between our 100% stock L36 engined Bonnies??

Oops I should clarify this.


I had a Thrasher CAI (and headlight removed for ram air effect), a 180* t-stat, 3" DP, 2.5" high flow cat, Belden 8mm wires, Autolite 605'* gapped at .057". I had also lowered my front tire pressure to 21 psi.

My rear seat was completely gone, the rear dash cover was gone, there was absolutely nothing left in the trunk, I had removed the dash trim bezel, removed the headrests from the front seats, no floormats or any personal items in the car.
I believe the car was probably around 3250 lbs (plus add my scrawny 150 lb figure) dry considering the car weighed in at 3450 when I put it on a local scale with 1/2 tank of gas and the car was basically how it would be on the dealer floor -not stripped down at all, but no personal items in the car either.
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my run was with <1/4 tank of gas, a completely stripped trunk and thats it. i was runnin a combo of 100 or 110 and 93.
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my run was with <1/4 tank of gas, a completely stripped trunk and thats it. i was runnin a combo of 100 or 110 and 93.
so if my car doesn't sell, how about a friendly little internet L36 competition?
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