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Old 01-18-2008, 05:05 PM   #21
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Good luck getting the government to moderate an insurance company. They have too much money.
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Old 01-18-2008, 05:20 PM   #22
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I personally can't stand Michael Moore - hate him with a passion. I worked for the Bush-Cheney 04' campaign in Ohio and for the National Republican Congressional Committee, and was invited to go to the premier of "Celsius 411", the Republican rebuttal to Fahrenheit 911. It didn't get much press, but it was eye opening.

Michael Moore is VERY skewed and does things mostly for attention. I'm not saying his overall message is bad, but he leaves a lot out, and those things are VERY important to getting an accurate picture of the situation.

Sure, it'd be great to have the government regulate healthcare costs, but will they? Don't dismiss that as a possibility because they make too much money. The government has regulated huge industries in the past, such as utilities. I, for one, am NOT a fan of giving my money to the government. Social Security is on it'* way to bankruptcy by mid 2025ish. That'* a FACT. The current system works by having each current worker pay for each retiree. However, the amount of retirees is quickly becoming larger than the amount of current workers. Thus less money is coming in, and more going out. I support private healthcare, but gov't pricing controls.

Theres a reason the US has the top hospitals in the world (such as the Cleveland Clinic), and it'* because of private healthcare and the competitiveness it fosters.
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Old 01-18-2008, 05:44 PM   #23
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It'* nice some times to hear someone'* views from the other side of the tracks, but I must say you have not backed up your statement to any degree what so ever. Instead, you mention SS, which is an important issue, of course (should be more important than it is right now), but not it has nothing to do with the topic at hand. Why do you support private health care, and what does it have to do with SS? SS was a flawed system because it didn't take into account the population surge of the 40s and 50s, with baby boomers and all. Not trying to get overly political, just wanted to know.
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The idea of making money on drugs is cruel and corrupt. How many drug commercials have you seen if you live in the united states? Why do companies need to advertise medicine?

Obviously some procedures like breast enhancement or plastic surgery should cost money if it is for cosmetic purposes but there is no reason why I should have to pay $90,000 to have a 12 hour procedure, or in my case...my insurance to pay 90k.

Why should poor people not get the same life saving treatments as someone with medical insurance or someone with money to pay for it?

It makes no sense how corrupt the healthcare system is.

both my parents have worked in the healthcare system for years and it is pretty consistant with what michael moore talks about.

I have several friends with medical bills, some in the $50,000+ range. they will never be able to pay them off with the interest that they on them from the collection agencies.
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[quote="Hans"]The idea of making money on drugs is cruel and corrupt. How many drug commercials have you seen if you live in the united states? Why do companies need to advertise medicine? [quote]

I hate to play devil'* advocate here, but if there was no money in it, who would do it?
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Old 01-18-2008, 08:46 PM   #26
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[quote="chadow427"][quote="Hans"]The idea of making money on drugs is cruel and corrupt. How many drug commercials have you seen if you live in the united states? Why do companies need to advertise medicine?
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I hate to play devil'* advocate here, but if there was no money in it, who would do it?
Just like drug companies from other countries do it, government funded, not entireley but subsidized etc.

the main part I hate is the advertising.

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Pharmaceutical companies commonly spend a large amount on advertising, marketing and lobbying.[citation needed] In the US, drug companies spend $19 billion a year on promotions.[7] Advertising is common in healthcare journals as well as through more mainstream media routes.[citation needed] In some countries, notably the US, they are allowed to advertise direct to the general public.[citation needed] Pharmaceutical companies generally employ sales people (often called 'drug reps' or, an older term, 'detail men') to market directly and personally to physicians and other healthcare providers.[citation needed] In some countries, notably the US, pharmaceutical companies also employ lobbyists to influence politicians.[citation needed] Marketing of prescription drugs in the US is regulated by the federal Prescription Drug Marketing Act of 1987.
$19,000,000,000 is a lot of money.

That is $95 a year for every american that is using perscirption drugs. (assuming 200,000,000 americans purchased perscription drugs)

do you want to pay $95 a year to watch drug commericals on tv. I dont. If I need something I will go to a doctor and he will tell me what is available and I will chose or take his recomendation.

This was not even touched in the movie sicko and i think it is one of the most corrupt aspects of the US healthcare system.
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Old 01-18-2008, 11:02 PM   #27
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that was another part of that movie that was shocking.

this lady bought an inhaler that cost her $120 here, for 3.2 pesos. about 5 cents!

how that for a profit margin.
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