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Old 08-07-2003, 06:11 PM   #21
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Default GM doesnt build good OHC engines.

GM doent build good DOHC engines, like that new 2.2 echo tech works ok but its still not designed to last long... for 10grand(can) you can have a new sunfire with a 2.2 DOHC... You get what you pay for that engine is designed to brake down after warrenty ends... like if you want a radio in your sunfire it an extra 3grand.
and the good 4.6 DOHC cadillacs wernt made by cadillac (or gm) they were made by north star.
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Old 08-07-2003, 06:16 PM   #22
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yes it was his opinion...but hes a dipshit...we should send the new york times hundreds of emails...about articles saying the 3800 engine is great!!!!!!!! see if they redo an article...or fire his ***! you know what happened...he went to the dealership and some young kid had just got the last GTP and he had to buy an import...and how hes angry
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Old 08-07-2003, 06:29 PM   #23
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Well I won't say anything regarding their comments on the grand prix, because as you all know i am hardly a fan of it. But as for the 3800....their comments seem like nothing but an ego boost....he must drive a honda where you only GET power at high rpms. And as for outdated...as far as I'm concerned the 3800 was one of - if not THE - highest hp producing V6s from '87 up until THIS YEAR. Thats 15 years. If 15 years ahead of time is outdated, he must be moving backwards in time.

I've raced older Supras before and they are NOTHING like what they are hyped up to be. Neither is the Camry as far as I'm concerned...140-150 kms/h is nothing....neither is 0-100kmph in 8 seconds. i'm not overly impressed when i know of a car that is MUCH heavier and can do that in 7.1 and it'* not a tin can like the camry either.
But then again...I suppose i'm biased
Newer 3800'* would probably be able to beat out the Cressida - with ease. However, an older 3800 such as mine wouldn't. 140-150km/h is about as much speed - maybe- of what you'd achieve in a quarter-mile run in a car like that. Unless that means nothing

A Honda V6 doesn't have to be revved to make power. But if you're referring to something like an S2000, Civic Si (SiR in Canada), Prelude, etc etc, then you're right

The Bonny that gets to 60mph in 7.1 has forced induction on its side... slap the dealer-sold Toyota supercharger on a Camry and you can get to 60 in under 7 seconds (and even though it'* a mod, your warranty is not voided due to the fact that it'* a Toyota part you're putting on). Tin can? The Camry has would probably have about as much "questionable" materials than the Bonneville - as with most new cars today My 'gloatage' was in comparason to the Series I Bonnevilles. Either way, the Cressida only went up to 1992 before it was discontinued, so comparing apples to oranges might not be a good thing. A worthy, similar car that compares to the Cressida would be the 1992+ Lexus GS.

By 1989, there was already a more powerful V6 than the Series I Bonneville'* 165hp - being the Nissan Maxima'* 3.0 making 190.
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By 1989, there was already a more powerful V6 than the Series I Bonneville'* 165hp - being the Nissan Maxima'* 3.0 making 190
Nissans have an always will overate their engines.

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Old, yes, mainstream back then, no. Nowadays, overhead cams and variable valve timing is the norm.
The whole point of his article was bashing the 3.8'* old technology. I just proved that modern engines are usually anything but modern. Not mainstream.

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They're referring to unwanted wheelspin - they feel that the traction control wasn't designed as well as it should have been.
Traction control or not....a 280lbs Torque engine is going to break traction. My SSEi can break traction pretty easy too.

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Then the traction control kicks in, smothering engine power. The car bogs down. It'* ugly.
Thats becasue the series II introduces KR. That furthur proves they have NO idea what they are talking about. Traction control is supposed to prevent you from losing control, and when you spin your tires its suppsed to kick in and stop them from spinning. They simply don't know what they are talking about.

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3800'* can be fast, no doubt about it, but don't tell me you're going to be loafing around at 2000 rpm when you're passing on a two-lane highway. Power up high counts too. The 3800 can manage, but relative to the low end, it runs out of breath. If an engine was properly designed to rev higher, it will do so without problems. High revs in an engine not exactly made to rev will destroy that engine
The 3.8 they were reviewing is a much different engine than yours. I only have to go up to about 4k when I pass on the highway. The 3.8 is designed with a higher HP band in RPM than the torque. So you get your HP when your in the higher revs, thats what'* made for passing on the highway.

The whole point of the article was that they have no idea what they talk about. These people think that high RPM'* = better. But they don't.
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4k? You got it good, my car begins to run out at just over 3k... even with a K&N, which is supposed to promote breathing and such

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Find proof that the VE30DE 3.0 V6 in that Maxima produces less than the 190 (flywheel) hp listed, then we will talk.

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Traction control or not....a 280lbs Torque engine is going to break traction. My SSEi can break traction pretty easy too.
Sure, but from what they are saying, it seems the traction control isn't kicking in soon enough, relative to other systems.

From what I've been saying in this thread, it really sounds like I hate the 3800...
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Find proof that the VE30DE 3.0 V6 in that Maxima produces less than the 190 (flywheel) hp listed, then we will talk.
Well the new 3.8 has been dynod stock and produced 270lbs torque at the wheel. That engines a lil under rated.

Most of the Asian cars were rated at the wheels in the first place. It'* really nissan that did the american thing and dyno'd at crank. So compared to most other Imports nissan is overrating. Also that 3.0 had horrible lifter tap problems. They introduced the DOHC later on which got rid of that issue.

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Sure, but from what they are saying, it seems the traction control isn't kicking in soon enough, relative to other systems.
From what I got is that they didn't like the traction control bogging down the engine. But whichever reason. Traction control can't kick in till after the wheels start to spin. It can only be so fast, my taction contol system is the older system and it kicks in right when the wheels start to spin. It actually works better than my friends new TC system in his hyundai.
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What can you expect for a car with that much power under the hood and as light as it is to do, take off like a bus? Com'n now, get real!
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I was reading the new york times auto section last sunday and there was an article abuot grand prixs. so i read it. All they did throughout the whole thing is bad mouth the grand prix and in a couple of paragraphs put down the 3800 engine. just thought this might be intersting for some to read if you are bored.
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/08/03/au...es/03auto.html
There'* one line in the NYT article that caught my eye.

"The grille of the new Grand Prix - black cutouts floating on the car'* nose - makes it look as if it is wearing a Hitler moustache."

I'm sorry, but Dan Neil, the guy that wrote that review, IS an A-hole!!!
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