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Old 07-03-2007, 08:28 PM   #11
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Moving to a rougher neighborhood puts you in a better position to get that stolen. It was also a VERY poor choice for home defense.
My first thoughts exactly. I can't see that being very easily to quickly move around in the close confines of a house. Nice toy though.

I've got a .38 special for my home defense.

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Old 07-03-2007, 08:31 PM   #12
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IMO, the best choice of weapon for home defense is a pump-action 12-gauge: first two shells buckshot, then deerslugs.
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.45 is, and always will be, the last word in "home defense". It'* a big bullet, so even if you hit him and happen to miss a killing shot, it'* still going to knock the guy down. As stated, it'* also not a high-penetration round, so a couple walls will stop the round and prevent collateral damage. Try to find yourself some frangible rounds for defense loading. They are designed to penetrate flesh, but a hard surface will cause the round to brake up and stop without penetrating.
For target practice, Winchester white box is good stuff, as is Blazer Brass. It'* cheap, but consistent, and won't kill your wrists.
Lastly, don't use "hot' loads. It'* a great way to ruin a gun. Overloading a cartridge can cause it to expand in the chamber and refuse to extract, turning your gun into a really expensive and ineffective club.

P.*. willwren, the idea most definitely IS to kill the attacker. If you can't accept that the guy on the other end of your gun is GOING to die, then he'* going to kill you first. Shoot for center-body mass, shoot to KILL, and if he manages to survive breaking into your house, that'* just his good luck.
If you don't want to kill the guy, don't buy a gun. Get yourself a really strong can of CS, and get used to the idea that you're going to get some of the effect, too.
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This is a really good topic, guys. Let'* keep it rolling.

Don't load with military surplus ammo for defense for two reasons:

1. Ball (full metal jacket) ammo over-penetrates and doesn't expand. The Geneva Convention just bit you in the Just remember you don't want it to expand to cause more damage or a larger 'wound bubble'. You want it to expand so it doesn't travel through your target and injure someone else. Got it? Remember that. It may save your freedom in court. Ball ammo is used in the military for two reasons. First, it'* more 'humane'. Second, if you WOUND the little bastard, one or two of his buddies have to drag him off the field. You just took 2-3 guys out of action.

2. Military surplus ammo sounds bad in court when you're defending yourself.


One of my uncle'* was involved in the beach assault at Okinawa Japan at the end of WW2. As he came ashore, he found that his M1 Garand had become fouled with sand. At that very moment, a Japanese officer came out of cover near him. He pulled his 45 and shot the Officer. His target flipped forward nearly a full rotation and landed in the sand on his front, facing the opposite direction......Stone, Cold, Dead.

Out of curiosity, my Uncle took a brief moment to examine the body as he came ashore. He'd hit him in the HAND. Near the palm. The shock to the officer'* body killed him.

That'* a .45 for you.

I know what this feels like on a slightly smaller scale. Search out Allmachtige'* Avatar. That'* my hand. A .38 Federal Hydra-shock 158 grain bullet destroyed 75% of my 5th metacarpal. The bone in my hand now is from a graft taken from the rim of my pelvis (left side). The physical shock of the bullet hitting my hand caused EXCRUCIATING pain considered to be 3x childbirth. This pain was spread all the way up my forearm, bicep, shoulder, and into my ribcage.

I had 8 surgeries in 2 years to get back together. The cause? A malfunctioned slide-bar safety on a snubnosed revolver. My wife'* (at the time) concealed carry handgun.
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P.*. willwren, the idea most definitely IS to kill the attacker. If you can't accept that the guy on the other end of your gun is GOING to die, then he'* going to kill you first. Shoot for center-body mass, shoot to KILL, and if he manages to survive breaking into your house, that'* just his good luck.
If you don't want to kill the guy, don't buy a gun. Get yourself a really strong can of CS, and get used to the idea that you're going to get some of the effect, too.
YOUR conviction should say this. But if you say that in court later, you're going to be behind bars. Your legal argument should always be that you were trying to STOP him.

Remember that there is no appeal from the grave. For you or him.


Remind me to post pics and specs of my .45
Would it surprise anyone if the only 'OEM' parts left on it were the frame and slide? Totally custom-built and hand-tuned by yours truly. Including the custom Ebony grips, machine work, and hand-stippled frontstrap.
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I know what this feels like on a slightly smaller scale. Search out Allmachtige'* Avatar. That'* my hand. A .38 Federal Hydra-shock 158 grain bullet destroyed 75% of my 5th metacarpal. The bone in my hand now is from a graft taken from the rim of my pelvis (left side). The physical shock of the bullet hitting my hand caused EXCRUCIATING pain considered to be 3x childbirth. This pain was spread all the way up my forearm, bicep, shoulder, and into my ribcage.

I had 8 surgeries in 2 years to get back together. The cause? A malfunctioned slide-bar safety on a snubnosed revolver. My wife'* (at the time) concealed carry handgun.
Here it is...............

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If you look closely, you can see the plate, screws, and pins. Now you know a little more about the SilverBullet'* sig quote.
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One of the distinctive cultural differences between your nation and ours is this "right to bare arms" theory you Americans have along with the love of your guns. I don't want to start a huge debate here (although I think I can hardly imagine the responses this post will get), but I shutter to think what can happen to innocent people as a result of the attitudes displayed here in this thread. You cetainly need to protect yourselves and your property, and I guess over there your "Bad guys" carry guns like the ones you are comparing notes on or worse, but do you guys really feel that some day you may have to KILL someone if they enter your home or property? Wow, I would hate to knock on the wrong door late at night if my car broke down outside your home in the middle of the night, or pitty the poor son or daughter who innocently sneeks into the house after their 12am curfew, or be a surprise guest of a surprise birthday party or something. I would also NOT be advertising the weapons available in my household AND display my licence plate for the world to see.......that is just asking for trouble!

Sorry my biased opinion here obviously reflects on my views, but I find this topic very scary in a forum that is meant for entertainment (The lounge specifically) and hope this bit about "be prepared to kill" or "concealed", or "need protection" finds another forum to discuss in.

Sorry I know you have your rights and your amendments but this is just My "Canadian" take on all this gun stuff. I guess it'* just because when ever we hear of gangs, killings, or drugs, it alwyas seems to centre on the use of a gun.
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Well said Brian, the day I feel the need to purchase a gun to protect my property and or family, is the day I move imediatly. Thank God, I have lived in the same house for over 22 years and it has.....touch wood......... never once been broken into. It'* also nice to know that none of my friend has ever felt the need to purchase a gun for there personal protection.


Sorry if I offended anyone.
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