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Old 11-03-2004, 07:24 PM   #21
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i live in saginaw county and work in Genessee county both took kerry... why? i say its because of the job situations here, both places have high union counts i cant begin to count the # of plants in flint alone... GM has a Grand Blanc plant, Delphi energy, Flint Metal Fab, and gm truck and bus so there quite a few there......saginaw has a few gm plants......
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i live in saginaw county and work in Genessee county both took kerry... why? i say its because of the job situations here, both places have high union counts i cant begin to count the # of plants in flint alone... GM has a Grand Blanc plant, Delphi energy, Flint Metal Fab, and gm truck and bus so there quite a few there......saginaw has a few gm plants......
Yep. Yep. Definatly, Unions go Democratic, at least they did this time. I think that sharing the votes would have been much better representation of what Michiganians really vote. Genessee and Wayne are not a representation of anything north of there-but they are the centers of population so they have more weight.
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Big business likes democratic platforms, power to the people...problem is most unions are corrupt..

Vicious circle!
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Big business likes democratic platforms, power to the people...problem is most unions are corrupt.
Unfortunately those businesses and unions have lobbyist'* who know how to corrupt the peoples elected officials in D.C.
I figured Kerry would lose. He was a weak man and would have made a poor leader. Not that Bush is all that great himself...
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I agree, Kerry was not the correct choice, he failed to connect with the people. And the results of that is a failed election campaign.

And I also agred 100% on business/gov't corruption as well.
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Any of you guys ever investigated the libertarian party ?

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My friend was big into them for a while. They seem to be one of the only parties out there interested in bringing American politics back to its glory days of decency and public accountability.

...uh, did we ever even HAVE that?
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i live in saginaw county and work in Genessee county both took kerry... why? i say its because of the job situations here, both places have high union counts i cant begin to count the # of plants in flint alone... GM has a Grand Blanc plant, Delphi energy, Flint Metal Fab, and gm truck and bus so there quite a few there......saginaw has a few gm plants......
Yep. Yep. Definatly, Unions go Democratic, at least they did this time. I think that sharing the votes would have been much better representation of what Michiganians really vote. Genessee and Wayne are not a representation of anything north of there-but they are the centers of population so they have more weight.
True, but consider overall it was still driven by the popular vote...by the most populated areas. I think the electoral system within a state is ridiculous. How much more divisive could we get?!?!

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Big business likes democratic platforms, power to the people...problem is most unions are corrupt..

Vicious circle!
I absolutely agree with that. Very well put.
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i live in saginaw county and work in Genessee county both took kerry... why? i say its because of the job situations here, both places have high union counts i cant begin to count the # of plants in flint alone... GM has a Grand Blanc plant, Delphi energy, Flint Metal Fab, and gm truck and bus so there quite a few there......saginaw has a few gm plants......
Yep. Yep. Definatly, Unions go Democratic, at least they did this time. I think that sharing the votes would have been much better representation of what Michiganians really vote. Genessee and Wayne are not a representation of anything north of there-but they are the centers of population so they have more weight.
True, but consider overall it was still driven by the popular vote...by the most populated areas. I think the electoral system within a state is ridiculous. How much more divisive could we get?!?!
Well, like it'* been stated on other threads-without the electorial system, candidates would just have to carry major cities like New York, LA, Chicago etc. States like those in the Moutain region and the little New England states wouldn't matter at all-what'* fair in that?
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i live in saginaw county and work in Genessee county both took kerry... why? i say its because of the job situations here, both places have high union counts i cant begin to count the # of plants in flint alone... GM has a Grand Blanc plant, Delphi energy, Flint Metal Fab, and gm truck and bus so there quite a few there......saginaw has a few gm plants......
Yep. Yep. Definatly, Unions go Democratic, at least they did this time. I think that sharing the votes would have been much better representation of what Michiganians really vote. Genessee and Wayne are not a representation of anything north of there-but they are the centers of population so they have more weight.
True, but consider overall it was still driven by the popular vote...by the most populated areas. I think the electoral system within a state is ridiculous. How much more divisive could we get?!?!
Well, like it'* been stated on other threads-without the electorial system, candidates would just have to carry major cities like New York, LA, Chicago etc. States like those in the Moutain region and the little New England states wouldn't matter at all-what'* fair in that?
Then I guess we shouldn't call it a democracy...should we? Sounds like more of a republic representative hierarchy.

I pose the question to you...what'* not fair in that??? Majority vote..regardless of the geographic make up.
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