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Old 04-05-2004, 12:03 AM   #11
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Twice on Sunday'* and once on Wednesday'*. Plus on Saturday'* my church has visitation for our bus kids. Our church runs 5 buses on Sunday morning and i'll soon be driving one. So as you can tell I spend half of my time on BC and the other half dealing with church stuff.
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Never. I'm an Agnostic. Don't know what I believe.

Dear God, if there is one
Bless my soul, if I have one


But, I do my very best to never knock or offend anyone'* faith. I have the utmost respect for people who can have faith like that. I'm just too logical. I need proof.
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Old 04-05-2004, 01:36 AM   #13
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I was raised catholic, even went to catholic school, all of us are Baptised. But we do not attend any kind of church. The kids will go to church when they stay at the grandparents, but PDad and I do not go. I do not agree with some of the teachings of the church, nor do I think that I must to into a building and pray someone elses prayers. If God made me in his own image, than I must be true to myself and what I believe and not what others tell me I have to believe in.

In the past few years I have had a crisis of organized religion, not a crisis of the faith or spirit.
Please do not take offense to this all those who attend any form of church or other forms of worship, I think it is wonderful if you have opened your heart in that way, I have just found that this way works for me.

Wow I think this is the most I have ever posted.
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I was raised catholic, even went to catholic school, all of us are Baptised. But we do not attend any kind of church. The kids will go to church when they stay at the grandparents, but PDad and I do not go. I do not agree with some of the teachings of the church, nor do I think that I must to into a building and pray someone elses prayers. If God made me in his own image, than I must be true to myself and what I believe and not what others tell me I have to believe in.

In the past few years I have had a crisis of organized religion, not a crisis of the faith or spirit.
Please do not take offense to this all those who attend any form of church or other forms of worship, I think it is wonderful if you have opened your heart in that way, I have just found that this way works for me.

Wow I think this is the most I have ever posted.

I agree. I don't think you need to go to church to have faith. I haven't been in
awhile myself. But we shouldn't just good to church to hear the word spoken by a
Pastor. We can I read it ourselves. But what a church should be is a sanctuary that will
allow us to grow spiritually and to fellowship with others.

I hear people say all the time: That Pastor is this..., That Pastor is that...
But isn't the Pastor a Man. Like they say, Man will let you down every time.
We should believe in the word. And have faith in God. Not man! JMO
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I agree. I don't think you need to go to church to have faith. I haven't been in
awhile myself. But we shouldn't just good to church to hear the word spoken by a
Pastor. We can I read it ourselves. But what a church should be is a sanctuary that will
allow us to grow spiritually and to fellowship with others.

I hear people say all the time: That Pastor is this..., That Pastor is that...
But isn't the Pastor a Man. Like they say, Man will let you down every time.
We should believe in the word. And have faith in God. Not man! JMO
That is very true AD, and yes we can read the Bible ourselves, but do we? Or if we do, do we understand what we're reading? and if we understand it, do we apply it to our lives?

I've been in school for 7 years learning about God'* Word. I've studied and studied, and honest- in my homework today, I learned something new! The pastor has gone to school to learn not how to read the Bible to you, but how to take what it meant to a bunch of Jews 2000 years ago and make it apply to my life today. Yes, i know this is ideal, and there are a bunch of screw off pastors and corruption and sex scandals... thats for a different thread.

You are very right in saying not to have faith in man- that'* ridiculous because he WILL let me down. At the same time though, i have faith in God that He will speak through the man He has put in position. Similarly, I don't say "God heal my broken leg." I say, God my leg is broken. Give the doctor skilled hands and the knowledge to fix my leg. The doctor has studied and trained in his profession, so I trust that what he gives me is the truth about what my leg needs. likewise, i trust that the Pastor is on the right track with what God'* Word says.

Again, this is ideal situations... realistically, we need a lot of discernment and practice caution with what we hear- that comes from a personal relationship with God, and also the fellowship with other believers- as you said.

Bro- this isn't an attack- sorry if it comes across that way.

jeff
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I was raised catholic, even went to catholic school, all of us are Baptised. But we do not attend any kind of church. The kids will go to church when they stay at the grandparents, but PDad and I do not go. I do not agree with some of the teachings of the church, nor do I think that I must to into a building and pray someone elses prayers. If God made me in his own image, than I must be true to myself and what I believe and not what others tell me I have to believe in.

In the past few years I have had a crisis of organized religion, not a crisis of the faith or spirit.
Please do not take offense to this all those who attend any form of church or other forms of worship, I think it is wonderful if you have opened your heart in that way, I have just found that this way works for me.

Wow I think this is the most I have ever posted.
others dont tell you what to belive in the bible has all the anwsers
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then again its your personal perfernce
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I agree with Jeff. I once heard a sermon that the pastor said "If you don't have enough religion to go to church on Sunday you probably don't have enough to get you into heaven" and that really struck a chord with ME personally. I don't judge anyone else. We all know are situations and the Lord knows your heart. However, it says in the Bible to congregate with other Christians for fellowship and strength. If you look at it in terms of your Bonnies- you can be surrounded by other car owners who are knocking your cars so you come to the BC and fellowship with others who believe what you believe.

Everyone has to follow his/her own heart and know that one day we will all stand before the throne and account for our lives.

It is nice that we can have a conversation like this without people getting insulted or angry. We are intelligent folks and can conduct ourselves accordingly. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I hope I haven't offended anyone. That is never my intention.
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