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Old 04-24-2007, 04:55 PM   #11
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so let me get on a pedestal here.

who are we to say that the changes we induce into the environment are bad? the ant doesnt worry about how it changes its environment. do you think ant hills have greenpeace rallies screaming against eating too much of the oreo, worrying their ant hill is negatively affecting the spiders and the tree roots. they might kill the tree. and the tree, its worried about blocking the sunlight from the grass underneath. and god, do you know how many trees there are worldwide?? its a huge problem for them. we are another of those organisms. the fact that we think that us, above all other animals, is so special that we can so horribly affect the environment is absurd. we are an animal that modifies the environment to suit his whims -- just like every other animal out there. if we regulate our influence, arent we interfering with the "survival of the fittest" that the Earth was so keen on before we came along? we are the fittest. so were the dinosaurs. thing about those dinosaurs, they affected the ecosystem too, but they were killed. or evolved. whatever.

it is our responsibility as creatures of the Earth to modify our environment to suit our needs. to do otherwise would be like spitting in mother nature'* face.


on the other hand, weve raped mother nature and are progressively killer all of her kids. id be mad if i were her.


and seriously, i think we need to be aware of what we do to our environment. i dont believe for a second that the situation is as bad as some people think. right now, im withholding judgement on global warming. there are too many people trying to tell me what i think based on incorrect premises and only barely plausible "logic". i think it much more likely that we are observing a natural cycle, and in our conceitedness, we think we caused it. the earth is like a sine wave, and for the last 200 years, weve enhanced the amplitude just a bit -- and the concern SHOULD be that the amplitude hasnt gotten too large to sustain life at the crests and the troughs. our concern should not be the fact that the sine increases between 0 and pi.
The problem with your thinking is that global warming is a negative effect on humanity. Global warming can cause famine and flooding and death. Our best bet on maximum survival is to keep things the way they are, not accelerate our climate to one extreme or another. Global warming may not be life or death for the average American, but in a third world country where people depend on rain/seasons for their food and do not have adequate weather for severe climate, it is a life or death situation. Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not saying global warming is the end of the world.

Global warming is not a direct result of human interference. We never said, "Hey, lets change the temperature of the world." So I don't believe that we've caused global warming in an attempt to change the world to suit our needs. A more proper analogy is putting too many engine mods on your car and blowing your transmission from the added power. The engine mods are good, the blown transmission is a side effect that is most definitely bad.

People don't realize what significant effects humans have on our planet. We keep a healthy ecosystem to maintain a balance that is in our personal interest.
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Old 04-24-2007, 05:03 PM   #12
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From the information I've had forced on me the last few years, all I can say is there is no solid proof of anything.

There is archeological and geological evidence that this has all happened before hundreds and thousands of years ago. There'* also evidence that the stuff we're doing now ain't helping.

The only thing I do know, is you can not take one decades wether and claim the sky is falling. We had the dust bowl years in the 30'*. Every state has had drought periods followed by severe flooding.

Heck, for all I/we know, this is just a natural ending to the ice age. Which, by the way, did not kill all life on earth. Life adapted/evolved. It may have to again. But, that means us, too.
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Let'* keep it cool in here. Keep the flaming out of the counterpoints.
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Old 04-24-2007, 05:08 PM   #14
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I just think it'* wrong when politicians and celebs jump in the picture and regurgitate hearsay to defend their stance on global warming. Leave it for the educated scientists to figure out.

Let we the people figure out ways to be nicer to the environment, regardless of global warming or not.
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we cannot start global cooling/warming, and we cannot stop global cooling/warming. It'* a natural cycle that is beyond us. It has happened before the evil SUV invented and will happen no matter what we do. We have more control over stopping an asteroid from hitting earth, and that is unlikely.
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I just think it'* wrong when politicians and celebs jump in the picture and regurgitate hearsay to defend their stance on global warming. Leave it for the educated scientists to figure out.

Let we the people figure out ways to be nicer to the environment, regardless of global warming or not.
yes, most people don't want to or aspire to pollute. that is just part of good stewarship of this earth we are given.
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