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Old 04-07-2008, 01:00 AM   #31
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Thanks Golden Bullet for pointing out I wanted to stay away from DELL...

But the reason for me not wanting a DELL is, my sister got a computer from DELL that instantly had problems, they said they fixed it but when it came back even more problems with it, then my other sister got a DELL lap top and that thing is just a POS, had it get fixed several times but still is messed up..
Thats NOT a dell problem. Was it an actual hardware failure or something with the programs or software? Dell, like HP or Gateway will NOT help you with software problems unless you purchase a contract with them.

Dell, like HP, Gateway, Acer, etc will always load up their home systems with tons of unneeded software. Cheap big brand systems will barely run out of the box, especially with Vista which is a memory *****.

Got a friend a dell 1520 laptop with a 15% promotion they had a while back, total price paid was under $350 shipped for a nice laptop. However out of the box it would barely run, took about 2 minutes to fully boot to vista and was extremely sluggish. Memory usage was around 80% right out of the box at idle.

Reformatted it with a fresh install of vista and installed only microsoft word, firefox, and Photoshop and zone alarm and boom, boots up in 30 seconds and screams.

Same story with the Acer I was given a couple months ago, however Acer does not include the OEM reinstall windows disc so you would need to use a retail copy if you wanted to start of fresh.

Either way if you buy a "brand name" computer it is going to be very slow out of the box, even if it is a nice configuration.

I just want to set your expectations so you are not unsatisfied with your purchase if you go with a Big Brand system.
Don't you work at Dell? I thought you did, and if so, maybe you should disclose that first. People tend to have a sort of corporate loyalty, especially with their employer. Sorry if I'm wrong, though.

Personally, I'd go with HP over Dell. I bought an HP laptop, and it is like new one year later. My gf'* Dell is falling apart and it'* the same age and gets less use. Of course, this is all from my own experiences, and experiences vary from person to person. HP customer service isn't going to be miles better than Dell. In fact, it could be exactly the same. I've never actually had a hardware problem w/ my HP though
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Yes Hans works for Dell, and Will works for HP... should've been more disclosure on that..

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Dell, hp, either one. I repair computers for MicroCenetr, and I really don't see one more than the other. More HP'* get sold, since Dell has been mail order only until just recently. But my personal preference is Dell.

I have owned almost nothing but dells for the last 8 years, laptops and desktops, and have no issues with asny of them that I didn't cause.

I am typing this on a Dell Latitude D620. 2Gig Centrino Duo processor, 1 gig of ram, and Dell OEM Vista Ultimate. No problems.

Just remember, any system you buy will have software you will want to uninstall. And, laptops are harder to repair as everything is integrated into the motherboard. We're not even allowed to crack the case on a laptop at work except to upgrade the memory or hard drive.
No ****? That'* where I just built mine from..

I've had both a Dell 8200 2.26ghz P4 (2002) , and a Latitude D600 1.3 Centrino (2003). Desktop was great! It'* not fast anymore, and the Dell PSU pinout is limiting for upgrades, but it hasn't fallen apart yet.

The laptop has essentially been rebuilt through and through. The case/hinge was replaced, the Mobo, I had one stick of ram die on me... Thankfully it was covered under the warranty, and my college campus has an authorized dell repair center integrated into the IT dept. I'm not really rough on equipment either, but it was lugged to campus 5 days a week, and used occasionally around the apartment. Recently a plastic part in a USB port came out, and one hinge is separated again..

My parents have an Inspiron (circa 2004?)that'* just like my Latitude, but widescreen. They've had issues with the Mobo, their hard drive just went kaput and had to be replaced locally, and they've had a broken USB port a lil longer than I have.

Laptops, I always have liked IBM/Lenovo, they're BUILT, and don't have as much foo-foo software on them from the factory. This doesn't matter if it'* really going to be on a desk, or in your lap watching TV.
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Yes Hans works for Dell, and Will works for HP... should've been more disclosure on that..

And I work for Intel. Funny how this stuff comes out. I knew Bill was an HP man, but didn't know Hans was a Dell man.
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Ive been reasonably happy with my ZTSystems notebook, I bought it off Newegg. I noticed that even just a couple months later they dont even sell the one I have. They sell a similarly speced one with a 2.0ghz CPU instead of the 1.6 one mine has. I think its out of stock at the moment though.


I personally DO have the specs to run Vista and I have not been happy with it at all. The first week I had to download a fix just so I could install additional devices of any kind. I get the occasional BSOD for no apparent reason. Every couple weeks my speakers quit functioning, even with the drivers installed, I have to do a system restore to get them too work again. Ive had to run system restore more times on this machine in 2 months than in 3 years with an XP machine. Personally I dont see what all the fuss is about with Vista. It uses close to a GB of RAM right out of the box, and I see nothing different about it from XP that I am simply left in awe over. I might not be using it too its full extent I guess. But its to the point where Im probably going to call and see if its possible to get a restore disk for this machine with XP instead of Vista. Ive also had a few software compatibility issues.

As for the machine itself, I cant complain much at all, it was very fast right out of the box, and came with not 1 single trial program, not 1....I think thats impressive. It has a pretty long load time now because of programs ive installed, but initially it was pretty darn fast. You really cant beat a laptop with a 8600m GT video card either if youre a budget gamer.
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I don't have any corporate affiliations.

I have an old Dell Dimension desktop that is about 12 years old, built for Windows 95 and I upgraded it to Windows 98 SE. It still runs great and I use it to download pictures from my camera. I recently bought a much newer computer, another Dell, and I expect to have it several years as well.
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Dell, hp, either one. I repair computers for MicroCenetr, and I really don't see one more than the other. More HPs get sold, since Dell has been mail order only until just recently. But my personal preference is Dell.

I have owned almost nothing but dells for the last 8 years, laptops and desktops, and have no issues with asny of them that I didn't cause.

I am typing this on a Dell Latitude D620. 2Gig Centrino Duo processor, 1 gig of ram, and Dell OEM Vista Ultimate. No problems.

Just remember, any system you buy will have software youu will want to uninstall. And, laptops are harder to repair as everything is integrated into the motherboard. We're not even allowed to crack the case on a laptop at work except to upgrade the memory or hard drive.
so your telling me that when I get my desktop all the programs that come with it I have to unistall it and then reinstall it? and whatever I don't want just unistall and delete?

Also how would I reinstall the stuff do they give you the software for everything? or is it just like Vista I would have to do?

( you can tell I have't bought a computer for awhile )
What I mean is any new, brand name, computer will have probably Norton or McAfee on it (decent AV programs, but bloaty) and probably other trial or unneccessary trial software on them you'll want to uninstall and/or replace with your favorie software.

I see a lot of new systems. People buy them and want new RAM or new drives right away, and they all start fairly quickly as is. The first few boots of any system will be a bit slow as all the software wants to go online and look for updates. With XP, it'* the first 5 or 6 boots. But, unless you have the patience to mail order, you'll have a hard time buying an XP machine.

Once you get the new system home, and want to keep boot times down, turn off IM programs, don't install all those damned search bars, and limit yourself to one anti-spyware program. We et systems all the time where people complain about how slow they boot, and they are running al of the above, if not several of each...
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PCdecrapifier is a decent program to use to get rid of the "bloatware" it willl come with. Although Norton and MacAfee will have to be manually removed.

It'* usually the first thing I do Right after installing FF
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ANother "advantage" to consider with branded systems is that, um, availabilty of OEM OS upgrades, if ya know what I mean....

Your biggest consideration, in my opinion, is not who made the system, but do you want a notebook or desktop?
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Well I actaully figured it out...I want a PC, but eventually I will be buying a laptop as well for other things..

I'm going to check out some Hp'* this week and some Dells...let ya know how it goes!
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