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Old 04-01-2008, 04:21 PM   #31
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I don't understand how you can mention quality when BMW'* quality consistently ranks at the bottom. Below Cadillac, Buick, Volvo, and even Ferd'* Lincoln. Seems like denial to me.
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Yeah I dont know why it ranks at the bottom? If your inside BMW even a 3 series it just has a very high quality materials feel to them. I thought BMWs were overpriced German junk until I drove a few and now own one. Can I afford a new one NO but used they are a great value and the handling and driving enjoyment cant be beat. The G8 drove like a car but a BMW drives like an Automobile

Anyway the G8 is one of the nicer GM cars around but just dont try to compare it to a BMW but instead compare it to a 300C or Acura TL.
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G8

DRIVETRAIN LAYOUT Front engine, RWD
ENGINE TYPE 90 V-8, alum block/heads
VALVETRAIN OHV, 2 valves/cyl
DISPLACEMENT 364 cu in/5967cc
COMPRESSION RATIO 10.4:1
POWER (SAE NET) 361 hp @ 5300 rpm*
TORQUE (SAE NET) 385 lb-ft @ 4400 rpm*
REDLINE 6000 rpm
WEIGHT TO POWER 11.3 lb/hp
TRANSMISSION 6-speed automatic
AXLE/FINAL-DRIVE RATIOS 2.92:1/1.96:1
SUSPENSION, FRONT; REAR Struts, control arms, coil springs, anti-roll bar; multilink, coil springs, anti-roll bar

STEERING RATIO 13.6:1
TURNS LOCK-TO-LOCK 2.8
BRAKES, F;R 12.6-in vented disc; 12.8-in vented disc, ABS
WHEELS 8.0 x 19 in, cast aluminum
TIRES 245/40R19 94W, Bridgestone Potenza RE050A
DIMENSIONS
WHEELBASE 114.8 in
TRACK, F/R 62.7/63.3 in
LENGTH x WIDTH x HEIGHT 196.1 x 74.8 x 57.7 in
TURNING CIRCLE 37.4 ft
CURB WEIGHT 4096 lb
WEIGHT DIST., F/R 51/49%
SEATING CAPACITY 5
HEADROOM, F/R 38.7/38.0 in
LEGROOM, F/R 42.2/39.4 in
SHOULDER ROOM, F/R 59.1/59.1 in
CARGO VOLUME 17.5 cu ft
TEST DATA
ACCELERATION TO MPH
0-30 1.8 sec
0-40 2.8
0-50 4
0-60 5.3
0-70 6.9
0-80 8.7
0-90 10.7
0-100 13.2
PASSING, 45-65 MPH 2.6 sec
QUARTER MILE 13.8 sec @ 102.8 mph
BRAKING, 60-0 MPH 112 ft
LATERAL ACCELERATION 0.88 g (avg)
MT FIGURE EIGHT 26.2 sec @ 0.67 g (avg)
TOP-GEAR REVS @ 60 MPH 1600 rpm
CONSUMER INFO
BASE PRICE $29,995
PRICE AS TESTED $32,745
STABILITY/TRACTION CONTROL Yes/yes
AIRBAGS Dual front, front side, f/r curtain
BASIC WARRANTY 3 yrs/36,000 miles
POWERTRAIN WARRANTY 5 yrs/100,000 miles
ROADSIDE ASSISTANCE 5 yrs/100,000 miles
FUEL CAPACITY 19.2 gal
EPA CITY/HWY ECON 15/24 mpg
CO2 EMISSIONS 1.08 lb/mile
RECOMMENDED FUEL Premium



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2006 BMW M5 Powertrain/Chassis
Drivetrain layout Front engine, RWD Front engine,
V-10,aluminum block/heads
Valvetrain DOHC, 4 valves/cyl SOHC,
Displacement 305.1 cu in / 4999cc
Compression ratio 12.0:1
Redline 8250 rpm
Power (Sae Net) 500 hp @ 7750 rpm
Torque (SAE net) 383 lb-ft @ 6100 rpm
Specific output 100.0 hp/L
Weight to power 8.3 lb/hp
Transmission 7-speed auto-clutch manual
Axle/final-drive ratios 3.62:1 / 3.00:1
Steering ratio Variable (12.4:1 avg)
Turns lock-to-lock 2.4
Brakes, f;r 14.7-in vented/drilled disc;
Wheels, f;r 19 x 8.5-in; 19 x 9.5-in cast alum
Tires, f;r 255/40ZR19; 285/35ZR19 Continental ContiSportContact 2
Dimensions
Wheelbase 113.7 in
Track, f/r 62.2 / 61.7 in
Length x Width x Height 191.5 x 72.7 x 57.8 in
Turning circle 40.7 ft
Curb weight 4130 lb
Weight distribution 52 / 48 %
Seating capacity 5
Headroom, f/r 37.7 / 37.8 in
Legroom, f/r 41.5 / 36.0 in
Shoulder room, f/r 57.3 / 57.2 in n
Cargo volume 14.0 cu ft
Test Data
Acceleration to mph optimized mode / default mode optimized mode /
0-30 2.0 / 2.4 sec
0-40 2.7 / 3.3
0-50 3.7 / 4.8
0-60 4.5 / 6.0
0-70 5.7 / 7.9
0-80 7.0 / 9.6
0-90 8.4 / 11.3
0-100 10.0 / 13.9
Passing 45-65 mph 1.8 / 2.8 sec
Quarter mile 12.9 sec @ 114.9 mph /14.4 sec @ 101.9 mph
Braking, 60-0 mph 114 ft
Braking, 100-0 mph 326 ft
MT Figure Eight 25.8 sec @ 0.74 g
Lateral acceleration 0.87 g avg
600-ft slalom 67.7 mph avg
Top-gear revs @ 60 mph 2750 rpm
Consumer Info
Base price $85,595
Price as tested $94,965
Stability/traction control Yes/yes
Airbags Dual front, front sides, front/rear curtain
Basic warranty 4 yrs / 50,000 miles
Powertrain warranty 4 yrs / 50,000 miles es
Roadside assistance 4 yrs / 50,000 miles
Fuel capacity 18.5 gal
EPA city/hwy econ 12 / 18 mpg
MT fuel econ 14.8 mpg
Recommended fuel Premium unleaded


Summary:
Performance-wise M5 is pretty much the winner besides maybe braking.


Again your comparing a $90,000 vehicle to a $30,000
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Old 04-01-2008, 07:13 PM   #33
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Short post! I think the G8 has a greater value than its starting and ending prices, but it will not sell as GM would like it to for a higher price. It'* probably a really nice car aimed at BMW, but it'* priced so that people would actually buy it over a Beamer. Anyone agree with this? Or am I banned?
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Saying G8 > 5 series (especially M5) is like saying an Aveo > GTI which would be heresy..

The G8 is all about value for money for a muscly type sedan.

Is it as nice inside as a 5 series? Hell no, c'mon... The interiors are designed better, don't rattle, have higher quality components, the electronics do more, buttons are all designed to "feel" the same in higher end cars, e.g. weight to push, click, throw, etc... BMW'* can be had with varrying transmission options AWD or RWD, etc etc...

The suspension is tuned to a fine point, even in an E39 M5 (previous gen, which is still a nicer car than a G. The G8 isn't perfect, it'* generally considered too tail happy for starters, but that'* fun in it'* own right.

You can't deny the quality of a higher end car, but plenty of other cars will have a better value for sure.

FWIW, I do love the G8, i've been all over it the last few years on here especially, but I won't put it where it shouldn't be on the peckin tree.
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Has anyone actually been in both?
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Has anyone actually been in both?
Yes but not a M5 and you know this lol
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Vince, if you're going to compare the top of the line M5, then you should be using the G8 GXP numbers, obviously. How are you going to compare the top of them line BMW, and the middle G8??

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Is it as nice inside as a 5 series? H*** no, c'mon... The interiors are designed better, don't rattle, have higher quality components, the electronics do more, buttons are all designed to "feel" the same in higher end cars, e.g. weight to push, click, throw, etc...You can't deny the quality of a higher end car, but plenty of other cars will have a better value for sure.
Wow. I really cannot understand the INSISTENCE that BMW is of a higher quality when there is absolutley nothing backing that up. What are you basing this on, given the fact that ALL of the rankings put BMW quality under even Lincoln??

I've been in BMWs, and you're right...they do have very high quality materials. I'm not sure why the rankings are so horrible. It'* their long term reliability. Things breaking, coming lose, etc. It is ridiculous to continually state that a vehicle is of a higher quality when it'* long term reliability and initial quality is below nearly every other major manufacturer, including GM. What the hell is quality to you guys? If a vehicle was truly QUALITY, it would have high long term reliability ratings. Like Lexus or even Mercedes Benz. BMW does not. End of story. I don't give a **** how the buttons feel, or click if they're breaking in 2-3 years. Wtf does that have to do with anything if it doesn't LAST? That'* not quality. Period.
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Ok, so I went to an auto show tonight.

Sat in a G8 GT, then went straight into a 5 series. Then back into the G8. Dash materials didn't seem much better if at all than the G8. The BMW leather was better, though. Dash seams were similar in gap. The ergonomics in the G8 fit me better. The 5'* controls looked a little confusing to figure out without reading a manual first. It did have plenty of gadgets though.

One thing that was weird, I thought... you have to push a button (that sits in a place that forces you to move your arm kinda weird to get it to open since the button is most suited to the thumb, but is placed infront of and to the right of the armrest lid) to open the center armrest and then push a second button to either open the little compartment on the top or open up the larger lower compartment. The lid to the upper compartment should have been built into the main lid.
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